Talk:Ahmad Maymandi/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Bobamnertiopsis (talk · contribs) 18:37, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, HistoryofIran, I'll review this one! I know next to nothing about this period of history in this part of the world, so I'm excited to learn!

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

GA comments

1a)

• "However, during Hasan's governorship of Bust, he was crucified by Sabuktigin, which he later regretted." This currently reads like "However, during Hasan's governorship of Bust, [Hasan] was crucified by Sabuktigin, which [Hasan] later regretted." Consider changing to something like "However, during Hasan's governorship of Bust, Sabuktigin crucified him, an action which Sabuktigin later regretted."
• "Sabuktigin later died in 997" → "Sabuktigin died in 997"
• "although in reality, Mahmud preferred to have Ahmad as his vizier rather than Isfaraini." Maybe "...Mahmud would have preferred to have Ahmad as his vizier..." since at that point, Ahmad had not yet been his vizier and so his preference was conditional?
• "Isfaraini fell from favor, and" No comma needed.
• "Among Ahmad's enemies included" → "Ahmad's enemies included"
• "Among his few supporters was" Do you mean he had few supporters, or that the ones listed were only a few of many?
• "Altun Tash was then appointed as the governor of the region." → "Altun Tash was then appointed governor of the region."
• "However, the real ruler of the region was in reality Majd al-Dawla's mother Sayyida Khatun," → "However, the real ruler of the region was Majd al-Dawla's mother Sayyida Khatun,"
• "In 1024, because the great amount of wealth Ahmad had gained during his career as a vizier, made Mahmud remove Ahmad from his office and confiscate his property, and had him imprisoned at Kalinjar in India." He was removed from office because of his wealth? In which case, consider rephrasing to "In 1024, because Ahmad had gained a great amount of wealth during his career as a vizier, Mahmud removed him from his office, confiscated his property, and had him imprisoned at Kalinjar in India."
• "The nobles who opposed Ahmad had urged Mahmud several times to execute the latter. Mahmud, however, spared Ahmad." Consider rephrasing to "While the nobles who opposed Ahmad urged Mahmud to execute his vizier, Mahmud chose instead to spare Ahmad."
• "Ahmad, however, refused, but later agreed" → "Ahmad first refused, but later agreed"
• "which included Hasanak, who Ahmad tried to save from getting executed, but failed to do so." → "including Hasanak, who Ahmad tried but failed to save from getting executed."
• "Ahmad approved Mas'ud's decision of the appointment of Ali Daya as the commander-in-chief" → "Ahmad approved Mas'ud's decision to appoint Ali Daya as the commander-in-chief"
• "Ahmad later died on" → "Ahmad died on"
• "who noted the similarities with Ahmad and the celebrated Buyid vizier Sahib ibn 'Abbad." → "who noted the similarities between Ahmad and the celebrated Buyid vizier Sahib ibn 'Abbad."
• "a son named Mansur ibn Sa'id, who like Ahmad, also occupied high offices" → "a son named Mansur ibn Sa'id who, like Ahmad, also occupied high offices"
• Choose whether to consistently italicize vizier or not.

1b)

• The lead should summarize a little more about Ahmad's life, including his accomplishments as vizier, his exile, and his reinstatement as vizier.
• Also, since his death date is known, it should be included in the lead "(died 31 December 1032)"

2c) Need sources:

• "Mahmud quickly began increasing his independence from the Samanids, and eventually divided the Samanid state with the Karakhanids, thus putting an end to the Samanid dynasty."
• The entire first paragraph of "First vizierate and downfall"
• "The Ghaznavid army shortly deposed the Ma'munid ruler Abu'l-Harith Muhammad, and Altun Tash was then appointed as the governor of the region."
• "The nobles who opposed Ahmad had urged Mahmud several times to execute the latter. Mahmud, however, spared Ahmad."
• Much of the first paragraph of "Second vizierate and death"

3a)

• "the former Iranian king Abu Nasr Muhammad, whom Ahmad Maymandi had greatly helped during his early vizierate." Any idea how Ahmad had helped?
• "He received full authority over financial affairs and much more." What is "much more"?

Basically, there's some grammar stuff that needs tweaking and refs should be added especially to long sentences and ends of paragraphs that lack them but this article is otherwise within GA reach. I'll put it on hold for a week. Good luck! BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 18:37, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I am currently on vacation, i will fix the problems two weeks later, thanks for the review :).

Okay! Have a good vacation! BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 13:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I just returned from vacation, and i will be able to fix the problems in the upcoming days (and answer your questions regarding Maymandi), have a good day :)! --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 00:42, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Additional comments from Sa.vakilian

1. There should be template like (Template:Infobox officeholder) which tells when he worked as vizier and who were his successor and predecessor.
2. The lead does not cover all aspects of the issue. It does not say anything about him as vizier.
3. I think a section should be added which describes historiography of Ghaznavid era such as Tarikh-e Beyhaqi.
4. There are some information in the online sources which should be added to the article. For example, Iranica writes "ʿAbd-al-Razzāq served as vizier, but the new reign soon ended in violence with the usurpation of the slave commander Ṭoḡrïl Bozan (see Bosworth, pp. 41-47). When the situation became stabilized under sultan Farroḵzād, probably in 443/1052, ʿAbd-al-Razzāq seems to have continued in official service, though not necessarily as vizier."
5. The third Volume of Encyclopedia Islamica [1] may include the article about him. If not, we can use its Persian source [2].

Best,--Seyyed(t-c) 09:43, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Vakilian, i will answer all your suggestions tomorrow :). --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 00:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

1. Not really needed, especially if not all Ghaznavid viziers are known.
2. I will take a look on it
3. I don't have access to that source and i don't think its really needed
4. Completely irrelevant information, that information is about his son, not him, and is already on his son's article.
5. I don't have access to those sources plus i can barely read the Persian script.

--Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 09:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

The Encyclopaedia Islamica includes some information about historiography Tarikh-e Yamini[3] and Tarikh-e Beyhaqi. There is also some good information about Ahmad's second vizierate which should be added to the article. Unfortunately, I am busy at present and can not help you with it. I suggest to ask help on the talk page of the Iran wikiproject or ask Persian translators[4]. --Seyyed(t-c) 11:36, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Second look

@HistoryofIran: The article is looking good! There are just two more things to do before it fulfills GA requirements: expand the lead a little to include a basic summary of what Maymandi did in his life to make him notable and deal with the citation needed tag in the image of "Artwork of Mahmud receiving a robe of honor". You may also want to rearrange your sources alphabetically by the authors' last names but I don't believe that's a necessity for GA. Best, BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 18:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you - I will do that in the upcoming weekend :). --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 19:07, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

HistoryofIran, any further progress? BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 20:53, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Not really, i haven't really been that active on Wikipedia and have only made very small and simple edits recently. --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 16:14, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Any idea when you will be able to edit this article again? It's very close to GA and I would hate to have to fail it because of inactivity. I'm happy to extend the holding period if you can give me some idea of when you will be able to work on this article. Best, BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 16:48, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm... i will see if i can finally finish it the following weekend. --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 18:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Perfect. Thanks! BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 19:13, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Closing note: The nominator has been inactive this month, so it's not likely that he'll finish the rest of the notes (expanding the lead, etc). This article has been on hold for 75 days, which was more than enough to address the issues on such small topic.--Retrohead (talk) 18:49, 5 October 2014 (UTC)