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Two Fingers

No mention of his newest musical project, Two Fingers? twofingersmusic.com

Peeping Tom

i wouldn't list the peeping-tom album as one of amon tobins own, he may have produced one track of it, but that's it. i propose to move it to the "Collaborations" section.

comments and/or objections?

84.75.131.168 00:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.3.14.172 (talk • contribs) .

Photo

Looks like someone overwrote the original Amon Tobin photo for use with another article. I don't know how to access previous versions of a file. Can someone look into this? Ryan 18:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

That's odd, it's not on Commons either, I dont know what happened to it (though if i remember correctly, it was a poorly lit photograph, and should have been replaced anyway). I'm adding a {{Reqphoto}} template here, and removing the incorrect image from article. -Quiddity 19:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a picture which I obtained permission for. -MattWatt 20:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 04:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any external links, but the YouTube links to the Foley Room trailers *should* be there. They're official. Trailer #1. Trailer #2. I realize that this is an robocomment, but this is nevertheless the answer. --Adam

Reads like a review

Look. Amon Tobin is amazing. It's almost as if he's objectively amazing.

But seriously, it's pretty obvious that this is a nonneutral article.

"Each of his albums unchart a new realm..." "Tobin is renowned for..."

I agree with everything in the article. But the word choice makes it a little biased.

Clearly "objectivity" is a strawman standard for a music article. However, the general thrust of your point is correct. There is a broad consensus that Amon is an innovator in his field, and there are articles and reviews to that effect. It's just a matter of finding them and citing them and tailoring the language of the article to fit the critical evaluation. The claim that Amon is renowned for what he does, though, is in fact quite defensible. The problem is that tt's simply not a very well-written article as it stands. --Adam

This guy is a little bit overwrought but would be a good place to start if you want some specific points for citation. --Adam

I fixed up this problem a bit and removed the review tag, but if anyone feels it still reads like a review, put the tag back on. Smilesfozwood 17:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First time seeing this article was today. I had to comment that it's still not neutral or even close. since not of that stuff has references, maybe the section should be removed. Youdontsmellbad 06:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements

I'm currently working on an improved version of this article in my sandbox (User:Sebquantic/Sandbox). I've already cut out most of the unreferenced material and words to avoid, and rearanged the sections a little. Right now I'm reading through as many interviews, reviews, and bios as I can find to get plenty of verifiable material. I'm a fan of his music, but I don't know a lot about him at this point. If anybody is reading this and wants to help out please let me know. --Sebquantic (talk) 03:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite

I've posted my re-written version of the article. It is far from perfect, but I tried to follow the MoS as much as possible, and I think it's a big step forward from the last revision. We can probably get this up to B-class or GA-class eventually with some more refining. About the discography, I modeled it loosely on the Nine Inch Nails FA-class article, where they have an abbreviated discog... and then a seperate page under Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discographies. Somebody with more knowledge of all his singles could create that page. There is a short list of things that I wanted to include, but could not find reliable sources for. If anybody has good sources (not forum posts) on this things please add them:

Scored soundtrack for transporter 3 (did this really happen)?

He has performed in front of more than sixty thousand people.

released song as 60hz (only found rumors about this)

Usually, at least one of his tracks is used in the British motor show Top Gear (I know for a fact this is true...but could not find a good source, only posts on message boards)

--Sebquantic (talk) 06:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful work! I'll start off an Amon Tobin discography, temporarily in a subpage-sandbox. -- Quiddity (talk) 05:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some minor cleaning at the discog page (because someone moved it from draftspace to mainspace for some reason), but I still don't have time to give it full attention. I'm not sure if it's worth linking to from here yet (or how that would affect the GA process)? Will leave it in your hands, for now. -- Quiddity (talk) 20:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

San Francisco?

I noticed on Amon's MySpace page that it now lists his location as San Francisco. Does anybody have any more details on this? I think it merits looking in to as, a), that is an official Amon Tobin site (and, therefore, a primary source) and, b), this page directly factually contradicts that information by saying he lives in Montreal still. I'm having trouble finding more information on any move outside the aforementioned MySpace detail, but indirect support for it comes from the fact that his last two big shows (and, so far as I can tell, his only shows in the past year) were in the San Francisco Bay Area. Matt T. (talk) 01:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

agreed that this is confusing. have sent an email to amon tobin's management asking for clarification. User:Denstat (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.232.45 (talk) 02:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Back From Space

The song Back From Space is centered around a loop from Metroid Prime's soundtrack, at a time in the game when the main character is just that, back from space. This is original research, unfortunately, unless someone can find an actual citation. --Kingoomieiii ♣ Talk 14:40, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pitchfork media reviews

Links to all three pitchfork.com reviews are broken. Those probably need to be replaced with other reviews anyway (looking at archive.org, I really doubt Pitchfork was a RS back in 1999). Sebquantic (talk) 12:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, RS is a bit of a sliding scale; "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources" and all that. Unless pitchfork has hired a slew of music professors recently, I don't imagine they're any more or less reliable now than they were in 1999!

All of the links seem to be fixed (or replaced) now. So whilst it couldn't hurt to add sources, I don't feel it is necessary to remove anything. Though I do see that their old reviews are written in a less standard style than most mainstream reviews ;) -- Quiddity (talk) 19:36, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, I have a habit of seeing bad web layouts and thinking "bad source", but now that you mention it, that was considered pretty slick back in 99' :) Sebquantic (talk) 21:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The PopMatters review link (ref #21) is also broken Briangallon (talk) 23:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also worth mentioning, the reference to the review of Bricolage is labeled incorrectly in the article I tried to fix it but I'm not good with wiki-markup and screwed up the article, so I undid the changes. Look in the "Defining Albums" section and look at where it says 'one of the most inventive albums to date' (it says something of the like). The little superscript link is labeled 12 and it links to the wrong reference. Bowty94

That quotation is in fact from the Adventures in Foam review, which is where ref 12 links to :) -- Quiddity (talk) 20:26, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Building" surround sound systems?

"He is known for building Dolby Digital 7.1 surround sound speaker systems during his performances."

Does this mean that instead of DJing, he turns his back to the audience and starts doing manual labour for Dolby? Or does this mean that he builds 7.1 surround sound systems FOR his performances? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.27.160 (talk) 06:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

good point, changing this. —Sebquantic (talk) 21:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Location Correction?

Regarding ..."Portugal and Madeira"... Am I mistaken that Madeira is in Portugal? 67.171.229.131 (talk) 08:31, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Palm d'Or

"...other independent films such as the 2002 Cannes Palme d'Or winner Divine Intervention." This is untrue, the film was in the main competition but didn't win the palm, it won the Jury Prize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.164.213.130 (talk) 02:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Madeira is Portugal....

Madeira is Portugal. referring that Amon lived in Portugal and Madeira is incorrect — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikomakako (talk • contribs) 10:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria due to the vast amount of uncited prose in the "ISAM and Two Fingers (2009–2018)" section. Is anyone willing to address this concern, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 01:53, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

Amon Tobin

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There is a lot of uncited prose, especially in the "ISAM and Two Fingers (2009–2018)" section. Z1720 (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]