Talk:Archie McLean (footballer)

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Father of Brazilian football?[edit]

Instead of Archie McLean, Charles William Miller is commonly regarded as the father of Brazilian football, as he was the person who brought football to Brazil. Besides, it is questionable that McLean significantly influenced Brazilian playing style, considering that football developed independently in several different regions of the country. Archie McLean is almost completely unknown in Brazil. --Carioca (talk) 20:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's entirely contradictory to the references provided, one of which goes out of its way to mention that he was still well-known into the seventies. Unless there's a reason to believe that the sources are inaccurate, the article should be de-tagged. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the references are inaccurate or even biased. I have several Brazilian books telling the history of Brazilian football, and they mention names such as Charles Miller, Oscar Cox, Johannes Minnemann and several others, but do not mention McLean. It is odd that if he was so important for Brazilian football, most Brazilian books ignore him. Besides that, it seems that most references to McLean in Brazilian websites refer to some documentary aired in Scotland (the documentary is named "The Forgotten Father of Brazilian Football"). I may agree to remove the disputed tag if you mention in the article that his influence to Brazilian football is a theory, as that's what the websites mentioning the documentary say, or you if mention in the article that "according to the The Forgotten Father of Brazilian Football documentary, he is regarded as the father of Brazilian football, as his emigration in 1912 to São Paulo, Brazil led to the adoption by the locals of a very fast, short-passing style of play which would later come to characterise Brazilian football". Regards, --Carioca (talk) 19:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've tweaked the lede to reflect this. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! It looks better know, but I request just a small change: who has described McLean as "the forgotten father of Brazilian football"? This info needs to be added because as I said above, he is a completely unknown in Brazil thus in Brazil he is not considered a father of our football. Regards, --Carioca (talk) 18:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He's described that way in a couple of the sources. I rather think it's a little newspaper-like to have to name sources in the article itself; the references are there for people to see who made the comments in question if necessary. Anyway, I'm de-tagging the article as this seems to have been cleared up. Thanks. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 07:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]