Talk:Atlantic hurricane season

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Merge?[edit]

Given how short this is, and how nice it would be to have the content there, what if this was merged to List of Atlantic hurricane seasons? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:04, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that a merger would probably make for stronger articles. Chris857 (talk) 02:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed so I merged it. YE Pacific Hurricane 15:58, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How does this merger make any sense? Atlantic hurricane season is the proper term, not "List of". I'm reverting and moving the conversation to the project page. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:39, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Units for "Damage (USD)"[edit]

There is no information regarding what year's dollars are stated here. Does anyone know? Are they all the same, or is each for that particular year? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flainnnm (talk • contribs) 14:11, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would hope and i believe that it is the original years damage.Jason Rees (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have just been wondering the same thing. There is still no resolution of this question (Hopes expressed by Jason Rees don't really help! :-( ). I don't mind if they are "original years" or inflation-adjusted to a baseline, but it is important to state this somewhere. Who compiled the table? Hmm. It shouldn't be too hard to find some original documentation to confirm this for one or two key examples in the time-series. I just did a very quick sample by using links back to the individual hurricanes and/or complete years and then scanning the text for the word "damage". It's not pretty I'm afraid. For 1973, the table reports $18M but the total of the numbers reported for all storms in the article on the 1973 Hurricane Season is $28M! For 1987, the table reports $73M, but the article for Emily reports $80.3M -- and there were several other hurricanes that year. The table 1987_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Season_effects reports a total of $90M. I think fixing this is a project--and I am sure I don't want to tackle it alone! I guess I could add a note to say that all USD values are unadjusted for inflation Dtprice (talk) 18:21, 8 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dtprice: If i maybe able to revise/update my comment from four years ago: The project uses damages which at the time and are not inflated, however, as article quality has gotten better, these damage totals have been revised with more totals found/better sources. However, these revisions have not nesscerialy hit other articles, such as this one or Retired Atlantic hurricane names. The other question we would have to ask is about how to source the damage totals on this page, bearing in mind that we are not allowed to cite Wiki.Jason Rees (talk) 23:53, 8 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jason Rees: I have added notes at the top of the lists for the 1900s and the 2000s which state that damage estimates in USD are "contemporaneous". Is this clear enough? Regarding sourcing damage totals, surely each total that has been sourced from info presented on the wiki page for a given year's hurricane season could be shown as a wiki link? The ultimate external sources will be cited there. I am assuming that every year's hurricane season has its own page? It would be good to work on this page by page and insert the links when each has been checked. This might encourage others to help with the task! Dtprice (talk) 11:08, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jason Rees: OK. I have inserted a link in the Damage USD field for 1987. What do you think? Dtprice (talk) 11:15, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Im afraid linking to another article is not good enough - see this essay for further details on why.Jason Rees (talk) 17:45, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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South Atlantic Tropical Cyclones[edit]

The tropical cyclone tracks picture missed South Atlantic Tropical Cyclones like Hurricane Catarina. 32ieww (talk) 21:39, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The South Atlantic is considered a seperate basin to the North Atlantic and therefore any TC's down there, are not a part of the Atlantic hurricane season which only applies to NHEM. The same goes for the Pacific and Indian Oceans :)Jason Rees (talk) 22:33, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Similar storms in the South Atlantic are Rare. The ICTZ- Intertropical Convergence Zone location is the factor in that. Wfoj3 (talk) 12:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Graph[edit]

The graph in this section is missing a source. Is this based on the revised HURDAT2 data? prokaryotes (talk) 12:16, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Organization of Lists of Seasons[edit]

What is the basis for grouping seasons by decade rather than just a continuous list? The grouping seems arbitrary in practice and hinders users from using the toggling tools to render any kind of useful trends or other data that they might be trying to observe (i.e. seasons with the most hurricanes or highest ACE). 192.195.66.2 (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Continuous lists make the section hard to edit, see Talk:Tropical cyclones by year. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Graph for number of tropical storms and hurricanes per season seems incorrect[edit]

The graph for the number of tropical storms and hurricanes per season seems off in some way. The season with the highest number of recorded tropical storms is 2005, as far as I know. Yet the graph shows the highest number for a year at or around 1998. The problem may be caused by an erroneous shift. Furthermore the indication of the years is unclear in the sense that it is hard to make out which bar belongs to which year.Redav (talk) 15:29, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redav (talk · contribs), you're right. I think the years were correct when it was first made, but the way the graph works, the dates are placed at a fixed location. I wonder if there is an easier way of updating this, instead of having to adjust the years every time we add a new year. Anyone with graphs knowledge? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notes Sections Citations?[edit]

Is there a reason we are keeping these notes sections in the annual spreadsheets when 99% of it is original research? There are two citations. I'm about to delete every note because it appears to be largely trivia. Comments? Ckruschke (talk) 12:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The notes have tended to get excessive, but some could be justified because they summarise preceding information and save the reader time looking back ('first season with two...' etc) and/or will be supportable with references. --Cedderstk 12:26, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1850[edit]

I've removed long-standing but erroneous figures for the year 1850, which didn't belong in the HURDAT section anyway. The article history suggests 1850 may have been included as someone wanted to be over-completist about '1850s' (despite many meteorologists counting from '1'), then some dubious figures were introduced in [1], the process of inserting ACE data shifted them over by a column [2] and finally another figure was inserted using implication [3], resulting in a table with 1850 having 7 tropical storms, all of them major hurricanes. I haven't checked to see if any other problems have crept in. --Cedderstk 12:26, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is the meaning in the Column Names, ie TS, H, MH, ACE in the tables?[edit]

What is the meaning in the Column Names, ie TS, H, MH, ACE in the tables? I tried to look through for a definition, but did not find any. Can you please add? Paulajeanphx (talk) 03:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical storm, hurricane, major hurricane, and accumulated cyclone energy. Users not on mobile device can see an explanation by hovering over the acronym with the mouse. For accessibility, a legend should also be added near the top of the page. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 15:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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