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Requested move 9 November 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move. Consistency is important, however, the consensus is that they should be changed per MOS:DASH. I'll move the others, of which I count 15, per the consensus here. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 11:56, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Auburn–Washburn School District → Auburn-Washburn USD 437 – Article name format consistancy across all Kansas public school district articles. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 09:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sbmeirow and BarrelProof: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't an en dash more proper in this case, e.g., per Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex? What is the "common name" of the school district? — BarrelProof (talk) 13:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Pick what ever horizontal line character is proper. School districts in Kansas use numerous variations of names, long form, various short forms, all mean the same thing. The banner at the top of usd437.net doesn't have a dash, but throughout the body they use "Auburn-Washburn USD 437", then at the bottom they use the long form, that's right they used 3 different ways on their home page, LOL. In sports and newspapers in Kansas, USD is most commonly used instead of the long form "Unified School District". For wiki articles, I arrived after other people started the effort. A majority of the articles names had the format "TEXT USD 999", but a small number didn't, so over time I've been the renaming articles to this common format for naming consistancy. USD 437 is one of the last ones that haven't been renamed yet, which is why I'm requesting a name change. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 13:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I support the move.
- Consistency is desirable.
- If you look on the official website, the term “Auburn-Washburn USD 437” is often used.
- With regard to the dash, see MOS:ENBETWEEN. I think the closest example is “Wilkes-Barre”, which the text explains is spelled with a hyphen because it is a single city named after two people. This is a single school district named after two towns.
- The official website seems to use an endash or hyphen most often. GeorgeofOrange (talk) 01:40, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - "Wilkes-Barre" is a bit different, as it is a single place named after two people rather than a place formed as a merger of two places. Please see the comments by SMcCandlish at Talk:Brown–Forman. This case is describing a merged area, as with Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex, Seattle–Tacoma International Airport, or Minneapolis–Saint Paul International Airport. — BarrelProof (talk) 01:56, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - But, more importantly, why use "USD 437" instead of "School District"? I really doubt that the parents in the area and the local newspapers and real estate agents say "Oh, this neighborhood is in Auburn-Washburn USD 437, not that other school district." They are much more likely to say "Our house is in the Auburn–Washburn school district." Unfortunately, it seems that the article does not cite any independent sources. — BarrelProof (talk) 01:56, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MOS:DASH. This is a case of administratively merged (for one purpose) but otherwise separate, comparable entities. Wilkes-Barre is in fact different (and weird); in that respect it is like Guinea-Bissau (though that one is different and weird for an independent reason; the point is that neither are comparable in any way to Auburn–Washburn School District as a style matter). This particular case is the same sort of construction as Seattle–Tacoma International Airport, Dallas–Fort Worth, and a zillion other examples. WP does not care what an "official" orthography is; the style guide[s] of government agencies in these locations is not Wikipedia's style guide or vice versa. Most style guides do not bother with a distinction between hyphens and en dashes and minus symbols, and tend to use hyphens for all of them. WP can do better, and does, because the differences are semantically meaningful, and the academic-publishing styles guides on which MoS is almost entirely based also draw these distinctions. It is a norm in this register of English writing. WP super-duper-extra-doesn't-care about an allegedly official orthography if it is not even used consistently by the entity in question much less across reliable sources as a whole (and we still wouldn't care in a case like this, because which exact horizontal glyph is there has nothing to with "identity" of the entity (by contrast, the lower-case i in iPhone and the 5 in Deadmau5 do). It is unfortunate that English-language style is not more consistent between genres, but so it goes. It's also unfortunate that there are odd, outlier cases like Wilkes-Barre which can confuse editors and lead to move proposals like this, but this is nothing new, and it always ends the same way. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MOS:DASH Tony (talk) 12:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MOS:DASH, and I'll volunteer to fix the others for consistency. Dicklyon (talk) 16:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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