Talk:Azadistan

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Name in Azerbaijani[edit]

@HistoryofIran Hey, to not go into edit conflict or etc, I figured it'd be best to ask you here. You edited out the Azerbaijani name for Azadistan. But, it is clearly stated that Azerbaijani was one of the 2 common languages along with Persian. Considering the state was formed in Iranian Azerbaijan, establisher being an Iranian Azerbaijani, and the country's lands covering areas where Azerbaijanis formed a majority, why did you decide that including Azerbaijani name was irrelevant while Persian wasn't? CuriousGolden 12:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you not have anything better to do than try to push the Azeri/Turkish spelling into every article? Was Azeri the official language of the state? Was the state Iranian or Azeri? It's not illegal to do some thinking yourself instead of having me to explain everytime. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:50, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep your insults to yourself, you're the one following me everywhere and reverting my changes. Persian wasn't also official language, state was an Azerbaijani state in Iran. From your logic, persian name should also be removed. CuriousGolden (talk) 12:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The sourced information disagrees with your personal opinion unfortunately. Persian wasn't the official language? Did they communicate through hand signs then? I'm done here. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have read through all of the listed sources, none of them claim that Persian was the official language. I think it's pretty obvious that it was Azerbaijani because it was formed in Azerbaijani-majority provinces of the country. I do not understand why an Azerbaijani name being available there is such a big deal for you. CuriousGolden (talk) 13:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran I already told you that no source listed proves Persian was official language. If you're not going to resolve this conflict by talking, I have no other chance but report you CuriousGolden (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran I am here to inform you that I am about to request a 3O.

@CuriousGolden: Adding a @ to my name doesn't magically make me get a notification. You have to ping me, like I've just done. Could you please educate me where in the listed sources (that you've claimed to read) that Azadistan was a Azeri state and also spoke Azeri as the official language? --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:23, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran: Thanks, I'll use ping in the future. And I don't claim the listed sources claim Azerbaijani was official language, if you read my messages, I was claiming that sources do not list Persian as an official language. Nevertheless, considering that Azerbaijani was the common language and most likely the primary language of the country, I don't know why including the Azerbaijani name is such a wrong thing. I feel like including both Azerbaijani and Persian would be better. CuriousGolden (talk)

You consider Azeri to be relevant simply because it was spoken in the area? That's not a very valid argument. Not to mention you didn't even Azeri in the Persian script, you added it in the Latin one, which has never been used in Iran. It literally states in the article that the state was an Iranian one;

Azadistan, or Azadestan (Persian: آزادیستان‎, romanized: Āzādestān, lit. 'The Land of Freedom'), was a short-lived state in the Iranian provinces of Azerbaijan that lasted from the early 1920 until September 1920. It was established by Mohammad Khiabani, an Iranian patriot,[2] who was a representative to the parliament, and a prominent dissident against foreign colonialism.[3]

After the end of World War I, in a protest to the 1919 Treaty between Persia and the United Kingdom, which exclusively transferred the rights of deciding about all military, financial, and customs affairs of Persia to the British, Khiabani disputed control of Tabriz with the central government of Vosough od-Dowleh in Tehran[3] and, in 1920, Khiabani proclaimed Azerbaijan to be Azadistan,[3] to provide a model of freedom and democratic governance for the rest of Iran. He considered himself not a separatist.[4]

Again, could you please educate me where in the listed sources it is stated the state was an Azeri one, as you claim [1]? --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:33, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran: I consider Azerbaijani to be relevant because the independent state covered Azerbaijani-majority areas and because Khiabani was an Azerbaijani himself. I still don't understand why you think Persian is relevant if you think Azerbaijani isn't. There is no source claiming that Persian was an official language. The part of article you showed literally does not provide any proof of the Persian language ever being relevant nor the country being an Iranian one. And my claim being "state was an Azerbaijani state in Iran." is literally just proved in the article, it's about the way you interpret things. in 1920, Khiabani proclaimed Azerbaijan to be Azadistan.

I do however agree that it would be better if the translated name is written in Iranian Azerbaijani, that was my mistake CuriousGolden (talk)

So, you have no source whatsover that supports your claims? Ok, that's all I wanted to know. There's nothing to interpret either, it's quite clear as crystal light that the state wasn't Azeri (see WP:COMPETENCE pls). So, do we add Italian to the French Empire ruled by Napoleon as well because he was of Italian stock? The ethnicity of Khiabani has nothing to do with the state that created, which is quite clear as well looking at the article. Persian is relevant because it was an Iranian state, it's quite simple. If you have nothing but your own personal opinion, then I think we're done here. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have no source of the country having Persian as official language nor the state being an Iranian one either, good to know. Your comparisons aren't always good, but I'll let it slide. You're trying to push your POV, and claim that just because it was a country that was created in Iran, it was an Iranian one. I'm sure a third opinion will be able to help us, because you're really passionate about not letting anyone change anything about something that is even slightly related to Iran. CuriousGolden (talk)

I'm not trying to push anything, read the article. You have a history (in your short amount of time in Wiki) of trying to force Azeri/Turkish spellings into several articles [2], hence why you have been warned several times [3]. Who's the real pov-pusher here? Also, if you can't understand a few simple lines, then perhaps you should begin to question if it's the right choice to edit in the English Wikipedia. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have read the article multiple times, read all the provided sources and have done my research on the topic. You can keep the insults coming though, maybe that'll get you somewhere. I'd rather wait for the Third Opinion from this point. CuriousGolden (talk)

I don't understand why there is a dispute over adding the Azerbaijani name to an article which says "in the Iranian provinces of Azerbaijan" and Common languages: Azerbaijani, Persian. I have not looked so don't know about the appropriateness of the other places CuriousGolden added the Azerbaijani or Turkic name, but it seems clearly appropriate here. Nil Einne (talk) 08:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you guys want a source that Khiabani was an Iranian patriot and non-ethnic nationalist, here is a nice source [4]

Some choice quotes about Khiyabani and Azadistan:

>>Shaikh Mohammad Khiyabani, a popular leader and cleric from Tabriz, opposed the Ottoman occupation as well as pan-Turkism, and was even arrested and exiled to eastern Turkey. He rejected any foreign occupation "as an indignant Iranian patriot” and declared that “Azerbaijan would fight against [it] to the end".

>>Khiyabani and his colleagues also rejected the nationalist policies of the Democratic Republic of Azerbaijan established in 1918, especially its leaders proposal to annex the historical Iranian Azerbaijan into their newborn republic.

>>Reviewing Khiyabani’s speeches, publications, and party manifestos, it is hard to find evidence of ethnic nationalism among them.

Qahramani44 (talk) 16:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]