Talk:Bill Mosienko

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Good articleBill Mosienko has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
July 8, 2010Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 12, 2010.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Hockey Hall of Famer Bill Mosienko is most famous for scoring three goals in a span of 21 seconds in a 1952 game, a feat that remains a National Hockey League record?

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Canada Hky (talk) 22:54, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quick Fail Criteria

No problems with any of these, so I will proceed with the full review.

Review

GA review (see here for criteria)

Well-written article about a HHOFer, who sometimes gets lost in the shuffle of the bigger names of his time.

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
A few issues here:
Almost every source, including the team's official website, use 'Blackhawks' as one word, as does hockeydb for Mosienko's stats. Sources say 'Black Hawks' was originally a misnomer, so I am not sure on the insistence of using it here. If anything, I think a single mention of how it used to be used, and then reverting to the present usage would be less confusing. The Hawks official website uses 'Blackhawks' retroactively, I don't think there is any need to go against that.
Article is titled 'Bill Mosienko', but no mention by this name in the lead, I know its a common nickname for William, but it could be mentioned alongside or instead of his other nickname.
"Seeking to fill roster spots left open by players who left to fight in World War II, the Black Hawks first recalled Mosienko in 1942" ---awkward, simpler is better - The Blackhawks recalled Mosienko in 1942 to replace players who had left to fight in WW2.
'1st National Hockey League All Star Game' - suggest a piped link to 'First', as it is in the text of said article.
"He scored three goals in a 21-second span of the third period against New York's Lorne Anderson to set a new record for the fastest three goals by one player" - suggest changing one usage of 'three goals' to hat trick, or otherwise streamlining the sentence.
  1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    No problems here.
  2. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):

#:: Maybe a little too focused, one of the sources is an article about his grandson playing for the same NHL organization, that could be worked in briefly in the Personal Life section. Borderline trivial, but when an entire article is written about it, and it can be worked in, it adds something to the article.

  1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    No problems, again
  2. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
    All good again
  3. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Not applicable
  4. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    Not much to do here, I'll put it on hold until these issues can be addressed.Canada Hky (talk) 23:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review! I will try to resolve these issues next year. On the Black Hawks vs. Blackhawks issue, however, the team was known as the Black Hawks until 1986 (although there is, of course argument on it), but on Wikipedia, we've typically used the two-word variant when the team name is discussed in a period prior to 1986. IMO, it would be akin to describing the 1996 Mighty Ducks of Anaheim as the Anaheim Ducks. I'd say that changing to the one word variant would necessitate a discussion within the hockey project for a consistent change. Resolute 04:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good about the rest of it - it might be worth opening up that discussion. The Ducks official website still refers to the pre-200? team as the Mighty Ducks (here http://ducks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?bcid=17234), whereas the Blackhawks website is consistent with one word throughout all its team related history articles (here as one example http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=46777). Canada Hky (talk) 13:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've addressed your raised points in the prose section. IMO, noting that Tyler played in the Hawks organization is a little trivial, given neither Tyler nor Bill actually played for the same team or fanchise. Appreciate your comments, Resolute 22:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And to address the "Bill" issue, I simply dropped the notation of his "Mossie" nickname. Given it was only a simplification of his given name, I decided it would be about as ridiculous as "Jarome "Iggy" Iginla". Resolute 22:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All issues have been addressed or explained, and I'll pass this article! Canada Hky (talk) 14:39, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

I know sometimes article writers are picky about the lead so I figure I should explain my edit. I think that as a summary, it should be chronological but also bring the biggest facts forward. Mosienko is by far best associated with the hat-trick, so I made it the second part, right after the first sentence that basically gives context. The second paragraph now resumes his career in the NHL and WHL, while the last is about the honours he received later. Hope this works. Maxim(talk) 01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me. Resolute 05:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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