Talk:Billy Liddell

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Billy Liddell has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
June 16, 2008	Peer review	Reviewed
December 15, 2009	Good article nominee	Listed
August 17, 2010	Peer review	Reviewed

Current status: Good article

1956 FA Cup[edit]

From a point raised at the peer review. For the Manchester City perspective on the cup tie, I have in Alan Rowlands' Trautmann: The Biography, p175: "The referee blew his whistle just as Liverpool were mounting a last furious attack. Trautmann, most of the players and certainly the crowd, did not hear it. Liddell pushed the ball past Trautmann and turned in triumph. Bert, in despair, was about to retrieve the ball from the netting when Roy Paul ushered his players to leave the field. Somewhat mystified, Bert rushed off with his team while the Liverpool players surrounded Mervyn Griffiths, the referee, when they discovered, to their absolute horror, the goal did not count... ...They speedily departed for home leaving the Anfield club to seethe away at the considered injustice." Ken Barnes recalls the reaction of the crowd in This Simple Game: The Footballing Life of Ken Barnes, p56: "It was bloody bedlam! We heard the whistle okay. In fact, some of us were already shaking hands at the half-way line. But Billy was heading hell for leather towards the Kop. There was such a din, the crowd never heard the whistle. But there's no question it had blown. Obviously the fans weren't happy, but there's no doubt the game was over when he put it in." Oldelpaso (talk) 19:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Billy Liddell/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Monowi (talk) 07:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Initial Comments[edit]

This article passes the quick-fail criteria. Article looks really good at first glance, and references also appear outstanding. My goal for this review is to be as thorough as possible with every last detail, but please note it's my personal policy not to make any (substantial) edits on the article I'm currently reviewing, so the list of changes is up to other editors to carry out. I plan on completing this review within two days.

Required changes for GAN passage[edit]

None

Suggestions for Future Improvement[edit]

If you plan on continuing to improve the article and one day submitting it as a Featured Article Candidate, expect other editors to point out that the article is currently overly reliant on the 2005 book by John Keith as far as references go. Honestly I don't even know if there are many other books that include useful info about Billy Liddell, let alone any other books written specifically about him.
The way the references are cited in the Wiki markup text could use some improvement. For example, you can use Template:Cite book to simplify the use of books as references in the article, saving a little bit in the way of having extra text in the "notes" section. For example, you can see how I implemented Template:Cite book on the Featured Article Ozzie Smith. I too once cited printed source material the way you currently have it setup, but I have to admit the Cite book template does make the Wiki markup a bit easier to manage.
Some of the sentences tend to run on a bit. For example, in the 3rd paragraph under the "Early life" section there is a sentence that reads, "Doctors informed him of the extent of tissue damage, causing Liddell anxiety about his future, and he remained in Blackburn for two weeks, living in the family home of a colleague, before he could return to Liverpool to continue his recovery." It is possible to break up the sentence like so: Doctors informed him of the extent of tissue damage, causing Liddell anxiety about his future. Liddell remained in the Blackburn for two weeks, living in the family home of a colleague, before he could return to Liverpool to continue his recovery. The article is so well written it is not too big of deal, and I'm sure any small issues other editors might find in an FAC review can be easily addressed.
The third sentence under the "1946-1954" section reads, "The match ended in a 2–0 win and featured several additional debutants,[19] including Bob Paisley who would forge a chemistry with Liddell as a left half." I suggest adding a comma after the phrase, "...including Bob Paisley...."
Towards the end of the 3rd paragraph of the "1946-1954" section there is a sentence that reads, "...longest undefeated sequence at 19 matches;[29] however, Liverpool finished...." I would suggest just going ahead and making that semicolon the start of a new sentence.
The last sentence of the 5th paragraph under the "1946-1954" section reads, "Many footballers did accept the contract offers, among them Alfredo Di Stefano, Bobby Flavell, Neil Franklin, Billy Higgins, Charlie Mitten, George Mountford, and Hector Rial." I don't see the relevance of listing so many players in this sentence. After all, the focus of the article is on Liddell. I would suggest picking the three most notable players (in your opinion) out of that group and only listing them.
The last paragraph under the "Later life and legacy" section has a sentence that reads, "The group set up with the aims of having Billy inducted into the SFA Hall of Fame...." Stay consistent substituting his first name for his last name when he is mentioned in that sentence.
The final sentence of the article needs to be integrate into the previous text. In general, a paragraph is considered three or more sentences, so it doesn't make sense to have a paragraph break for just a single sentence.

Additional review comments[edit]

In short, I was extremely impressed by the high quality level of this article. As an American citizen who doesn't get the chance to watch football much, this was a very interesting article to read. This article makes it clear Liddell was a truly great person as well as a great athlete. I really liked the use of the quoteboxs in the article as well. Excellent, excellent work all the way around!

Review result[edit]

PASSED

I believe this article clearly meets the requirements of a Good Article, and as such I have passed it in this GAN review. For anyone else reading this review, please consider reviewing an article yourself at Wikipedia:Good article nominations. Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia thus far, and good luck with the article in the future! Monowi (talk) 09:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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