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Additional info

Removed from Brandy article. If it has additional information it should be in this article. Rmhermen 04:10 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Occupations

I suggest adding television personality to Brandy's occupation list, because she was a judge on America's Got Talent. Just a thought. Disney09 (talk) 21:33, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

What a load of shit

Please tell me this is not a brandyfan who is providng this article on brandy, its quite sad to see that one of the most successful acts of the generation 90's,00's has been made to look as if she has not acomplished anything. NSN alone has sold 14 million albums, so how can her WW sales be 14 million. Honestly, if a non fan of Brandy wanted to see how she faired against there artist she wud not look gud, how can she sell 10.5m in the US an just 3.5m worldwide, with one of the most successful albums of the 90's LOL. Everyone knows she has sold more than 25million albums worldwide, even Piers Morgan mentions it on AGT n when Brandy was in the headlines for her car accident dey even mentioned it numerous times. CHECK YOUR FACTS, OR DONT WRITE ON HER ARTICLE AT ALL.

I totally argee wit u ...cuz she did sell 25 million Albumsz...AInt no way in hell Ashanti out sold her...NA...bullshit —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sxglamour (talk • contribs) 23:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I honestly do not think you should be advising anyone on anything considering your use of grammar and spelling. Also,it is worse when a "brandyfan" writes a article,as it has a biased slant. --65.1.220.194 (talk) 01:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

New Album

Her new album is called "Enter My World" and a new single called "Just Like Tommy" leaked. Anyone care to update Brandy's page???

no proof for this (Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC))

WRONG!

Not true

SHE IS DEAD she died at her house 2 months again by taking a gun to her head Itallia,Brandy Fan

That is NOT funny. NO ONE is laughing. Now go away. Jdot01 03:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Reversion explanation

I reverted this to the last version by Pacian on the basis that the breathless hagiography added since that time was simply too difficult to edit accurately in a line-by-line fashion. If anybody wants to use the information in it, it's still available in the article history. --Robert Merkel 05:39, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Article name

Brandy publishes all her songs under the name "Brandy", she receives songwriting credits on her albums as "Brandy", and is even credited in most of her acting roles as "Brandy" (I Still Know, Cinderella, Moesha, Arachnophobia). This article should be moved to Brandy (singer) (or Brandy (entertainer), to account for her side acting career), in keeping with the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). For precedence, see Madonna (entertainer), Jewel (singer), Jem (singer), Dido (singer), Bill Clinton, Eminem, etc. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:14, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't The Article Be Titled "Brandy" Instead Of "Brandy Norwood"?

Please Tell Me What You Think Because I'm Seriously Considering Renaming This Article.

Baby16 (talk) 18:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Reply Here Or On My Talk Page

Brandy is an article about distilled wine. The article title should be "Brandy Norwood", and she should be referred to as "Norwood" throughout. That is her name, after all.—Kww(talk) 18:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, What I Meant Was To Rename It "Brandy (entertainer)" Instead Of "Brandy Norwood", My Mistake For Forgetting To State That Part.
Simply Because According To Wikipeda & I Quote "...use the most common name of a person or thing..." Basically The Most Recognizable Name.
I See What You Were Saying Too. "...that does not conflict with the names of other people or things...".
That's Why I Meant "Brandy (entertainer)" I Searched That Title & It Does Not Exist Or Redirect Anywhere. I Also Checked "Brandy Disambiguation" Just To Make Sure.
Brandy Is Not Only The Name People Know Her By But It's Also The Name She Uses Professionally As A Singer (On Her Albums) & Actress (Movies & TV Shows)
Secondly, Calling Her "Norwood" Throughout The Article Makes Sense, I Apparently Wasn't Fully Awake When I Made That Edit (lol)

Baby16 (talk) 21:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to you creating a redirect at "Brandy (entertainer)" that pointed at "Brandy Norwood". Brandy (disambiguation) does exist. Really wish you would stop shouting, though.—Kww(talk) 21:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I Wasn't Shouting Or At Least I Didn't Think I Was. Oh The Capitals! sorry, hard to break a habit. I meant that I checked brandy disambiguation to see if the title Brandy (entertainer) existed.

Ok I'll redirect instead of move. Its not gonna hurt to keep the name anyway right? Cool thanks.

Baby16 (talk) 22:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

(unnecessary bolding removed)

I believe this article should TOTALLY be titled Brandy (entertainer), as it once was before. She has hardly ever used her last name. Other artists who barely do more than music (Monica) are titled ENTERTAINERS, Brandy ought to be as well. 75.94.98.148 (talk) 22:40, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. The article should defintely be named Brandy (entertainer). She goes by one name, just like Madonna or Rihanna. I never saw her use her last name professionally. Israell (talk) 19:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Judging from her credit list at IMDB, it would appear that she has been credited as "Brandy Norwood" for roughly half of her appearances. We also have articles on several other "Brandy"s that are entertainers.—Kww(talk) 21:04, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
And since she does use "Brandy Norwood" professionally, that's a good reason for the idle to be titled this. Israell invoked Madonna and Rihanna; an IMDB search shows only one credit for the former as Madonna Ciccone—in 1980, at the start of her career—and none for the latter as Rihanna Fenty. If anything, we're in a situation here analogous to John Mellencamp, where a stage name has been used for part of his career (John Cougar) and his credits are split. I agree with the current situation: leave the article titled Brandy Norwood, and preserve the Brandy (entertainer) and Brandy (singer) redirects. —C.Fred (talk) 21:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

NPOV

From Wikipedia:WikiProject Music:

Don't be too gushy about your favorite band. "Enormously popular", "critically acclaimed" and the like are generally okay, but don't be angry if someone demands a source; "the best band of the 70s", "the only punk band to never sell out" and such are not acceptable and will be changed -- if a famous critic has said so and it does not interrupt the flow, quote and document.;;.

--FuriousFreddy 15:49, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Chart lies

Brandy has not had that many #1 hits. In the US or UK. Someone please edit this with the right chart states.

UK : www.everyhit.com US: allmusic.com or billboard.com 216.220.208.124 18:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC) Someone put false sales saying she sold 90 million copies and tons of number ones.

Album sales

I seriously think that the album sales are false I mean she doesnt have certifications in Australia, Canada or Europe or most markets except US. So where do all these worlwide sales come from.

This is the very reason why I placed an {{expert-portal}} tag on the page, as people keep changing the sale quantity every day. Anthony Rupert 05:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Brandy and Scientology

There's no need to include wrong information - especially not with an extra headline. - User:Noboyo, 9 November, 2006

Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. The article relays exactly what the sources say, and that's all we as editors are supposed to do. wikipediatrix 04:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but are the sources reliable? Who is Jawn Murray? --ElectricEye (talk) 05:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The subtitle (Brandy and Scientology) is wrong and gives undue weight towards Scientology when the section is about her experience with two churches: Scientology and First AME Church, not just Scientology. --ElectricEye (talk) 05:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Removing things

STOP REMOVING "Brandy has been taking courses with the Church of Scientology since 2004" STOP IT IT IS NOTEABLE AND INTERESTING INFORMATION. and who removed the photo of her? Johnpedia 18:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Follow Me

Does anybody know anything about the new track "Follow Me" that is posted on multiple websites? I have never heard this one before. A new single perhaps? A preview cut off the new album? This should be included in the current events portion of the article. I heard that, and "The Jonses" and "Deepest Thoughts" are new too, but I dontknow if any of these will be on her new album.I dont think its really worth mentioning but if u want to 24.69.67.173 18:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Possible plagiarism - vehicular manslaughter info

The section detailing the resolution of Brandy's December 30, 2006 "driving incident," which resulted in another woman's death and a recommendation from the California Highway Patrol that Brandy be prosecuted for vehicular manslaughter, appears to have been lifted/plagiarized directly from other copyrighted sources... Bonehed (talk) 09:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Where's the accident?

The current version of this article makes no mention of her auto accident, except to refer to "recent legal woes" as the reason she left America's Got Talent after the first season. I understand prior references to the accident were inadequate (perhaps even plagiarism and/or copyright infringement); but even though the prosecutors decided not to file charges, the accident is still significant enough to be mentioned here. Would someone with better referencing skills (and NOT a fanboy, please) please put the accident back in the article? --RBBrittain (talk) 02:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

  • I agree. That accident was huge, and there definitely needs to be some coverage of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.212.5 (talk) 01:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Alias?

The article listed B-Rocka as an alias for Brandy. Per the template instructions, aliases are official stage names. What did she release or perform as B-Rocka and not as Brandy? —C.Fred (talk) 02:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

She KILLED someone

My God! Could you people paint a more flowery picture of someone committing vehicular MANSLAUGHTER and getting away with it scott free? Has she been just any other African-American woman, and not a celebrity, she'd be in the penn right now. Your beloved Moesha star was probably doing her makeup, fixing her hair or talking on the phone which caused her to slam full speed into Awatef Aboudihaj's car and KILL HER. If there's no justice or impartiality in the American judicial system, let there be at least in Wikipedia, for God's sake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.46.207.189 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The article covers the accident, noting that she was not charged with vehicular manslaughter because of lack of evidence. Per Wikipedia's standards on neutral point-of-view, the article sticks to what can be backed up by reliable sources and does not speculate on the cause of the accident or whether she was at fault. —C.Fred (talk) 11:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Except, now it very much does speculate on the cause of the accident and that she wasn't at fault. Is TMZ supposed to be a credible citation?71.243.20.129 (talk) 06:44, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

That Grape Juice interview

Brandy recentley did an interview with That Grape Juice, and its currently being used as a source in the article, one editor (Noboyo) thinks the source is not reliable.....he is wrong.........cause its a professional interview, and there is no reason to consider it unreliable......[1]...86.96.226.88 (talk) 11:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

That Grape Juice did many interviews with various celebrities..[2]...including Ne-Yo, The Saturdays, Ashanti, Brandy, Kelly Rowland, Michelle Williams, and D. Woods of Danity Kane...................Theyre all 100% professional and 100% reliable....and there is no reason why they cant be used as sources...........86.96.226.88 (talk) 11:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry for mistaking sources, as I confused ThatGrapeJuice with some other commercial blog. BUT: The 2009 section should not be full of quotations, that's what Wikimedia Commons is used for. In addition, I corrected the source for the Swedish article mentioning her work with StarGate. (Ach, und warum nicht auf deutsch, Malcolmo?) - Noboyo

Date discrepancy

Kobe Bryant's Wikipedia page says he went to his high school prom with Brandy in 1996. This article says Brandy was dating a different celebrity from 1995 to 1997, and that she went to his prom in 1999--not 1996. Bryant was also drafted in 1996, meaning he had graduated from high school that year, so in 1999 he would have been past high school age.

Which is correct? There exists a discrepancy between two Wiki pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.17.210 (talk) 03:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Signing with Motown?

The claim that Norwood has signed with Motown hinges on this caption at Rap-Up.com: "Universal Motown Republic Group honored its 2010 Grammy nominees with a cocktail party at Whiskey Blue at the W Westwood following Sunday’s show. The label’s newest signee Kelly Rowland, Brandy, Akon, Ray J, Lil Jon, Kid Cudi, Jay Sean, and Melanie Fiona partied until the early morn’."[emphasis added][3] The problem is it says newest signee, singular, which implies that only Kelly Rowland has signed. How can we make the jump from that to Norwood having signed? —C.Fred (talk) 20:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Official website?

An anonymous editor changed the official website today, and I've chanced it back based on the following information:

  • foreverbrandy.com is copyrighted by, and clearly a production of, Sony Music Entertainment.
  • 4everbrandy.com bears a copyright notice of Norwood Entertainment Group; however, clicking on the terms of service brings up the terms for the Ning Platform, which is designed for building "Social Networks." Further, the website of the alleged designer, ubgmedia.com, is a placeholder site.

Based on that, I've reverted to foreverbrandy.com as the official site. If anybody can provide independent verification that the latter is her new official website, I'll support the change, but not based on what I saw at the two sites today. —C.Fred (talk) 15:42, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Cousin of Bo Diddley?

Please remove the line when it says Brandy is a cousin of Bo Diddley. It is a wrong information, and its source is a link to an MTV page where no single word about Bo Diddley is said.89.138.185.22 (talk) 00:40, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done I've looked through two years of revisions, and I don't see where there was a source for the assertion about Diddley in that time. —C.Fred (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Please make these corrections

The page is locked so I cant make corrections. So someone please correct: In section 1.4. She wasnt ever married to Robert. This was a farce to protect her image. So delete the word husband and put in musical proder. Add this:

In February 2002 Norwood announced that she had secretly married the summer before

< ref>http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1452159/20020205/brandy.jhtml</ref>. Norwood's foray in reality television started in summer 2002 with the MTV series Diary Presents Brandy: Special Delivery. This show documented the final months of Norwood's pregnancy. On June 16 2002 her daughter with Robert "Big Bert" Smith Sy'rai Smith was born. In 2004 Smith admitted in a NY radio station Power 99 WUSLFM interview that Norwood and he had never married;; instead they claimed to have secretly married to preserve Norwood's image < ref>http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1489609/20040721/brandy.jhtml</ref>. In 2008 Norwood too finally admitted : I lied because of the fear of what people would think and the pressure to be a good role model. Our relationship was very real, we just weren't legally married<r ef>http://theurbandaily.com/music/the-urban-daily-staff/brandy-norwood-why-i-lied-about-my-marriage</ref> < ref>http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,671325,00.html</ref> (this isnt the US mag link. I cant find one. This article quotes the usmag interview).

Thank You. 173.79.70.141 (talk) 16:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Please make these corrections

{{editsemiprotected}} Please make these corrections The page is locked so I cant make corrections. So someone please correct: In section 1.4. She wasnt ever married to Robert. This was a farce to protect her image. So delete the word husband and put in musical proder. Add this:

In February 2002 Norwood announced that she had secretly married the summer before

< ref>http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1452159/20020205/brandy.jhtml</ref>. Norwood's foray in reality television started in summer 2002 with the MTV series Diary Presents Brandy: Special Delivery. This show documented the final months of Norwood's pregnancy. On June 16 2002 her daughter with Robert "Big Bert" Smith Sy'rai Smith was born. In 2004 Smith admitted in a NY radio station Power 99 WUSLFM interview that Norwood and he had never married;; instead they claimed to have secretly married to preserve Norwood's image < ref>http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1489609/20040721/brandy.jhtml</ref>. In 2008 Norwood too finally admitted : I lied because of the fear of what people would think and the pressure to be a good role model. Our relationship was very real, we just weren't legally married<r ef>http://theurbandaily.com/music/the-urban-daily-staff/brandy-norwood-why-i-lied-about-my-marriage</ref> < ref>http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,671325,00.html</ref> (this isnt the US mag link. I cant find one. This article quotes the usmag interview).

Thank You. 173.79.70.141 (talk) 16:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

The facts of Miss Norwood's personal life (married/not-married) with Robert "Big Bert" Smith are already covered in Brandy_Norwood#Personal_life. The word 'husband' as describing Mr. Smith has been deleted from section 1.4 (Brandy_Norwood#2001.E2.80.932004:_Full_Moon_and_Afrodisiac) of the article. Shearonink (talk) 21:38, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

MARC MYSTERIO VS. BRANDY NORWOOD LAW SUIT

Why isn't this mentioned?Marc Mysterio sued Brandy for breach of contract for failing to send him 2 verses and vocal files for his song Shout It Out Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).</ref>http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/20/dj-sues-brandy-im-huge-in-scandanavia-dj-marc-mysterio/</ref></ref>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20014376-504083.html</ref> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.84.228 (talk) 04:29, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Quentin richardson playing for the Orlando Magic

{{editsemiprotected}} Quentin Richardson is no longer playing for the miami heat but rather the Orlando Magic (2010-2011),

78.228.211.107 (talk) 10:07, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

$300,000 for each child????

Wow, I am completely in shock that the children received $300,000. You can't put a price on your family, but this is amazing. There is no amount of money that could make up for the loss. I think she should have lost her fortune and been sent to prison. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.25.171.201 (talk) 11:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011

Since Allmusic have changed the syntax of their URLs, 1 link(s) used in the article do not work anymore and can't be migrated automatically. Please use the search option on http://www.allmusic.com to find the new location of the linked Allmusic article(s) and fix the link(s) accordingly, prefereably by using the {{Allmusic}} template. If a new location cannot be found, the link(s) should be removed. This applies to the following external links:

--CactusBot (talk) 19:12, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Near fatal ???

"Norwood was involved in a near fatal car accident at the Los Angeles freeway. The accident claimed the life of 38-year-old Awatef Aboudihaj"

If the accident "claimed the life" of someone, then it was a fatal car accident, not a near fatal car accident. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.90.45 (talk) 16:21, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Is it true...

Is it true that Brandy was the first african american teen to go 4x platinum on their first album? And that she was the first african american teen to have her own TV-show (Moesha)? If so, shouldn't that be added in the article? --90.227.245.241 (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Needs an update

I am so sorry to mess up this page. I just wanted to say that this section needs updating. She has posted that she is back in the studio and has been working with Mike Will Made It. She is also on the new Jessie J album with a duet called "Conquer the World". It has also been revealed via Twitter that she will be on X, Chris Brown's new album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.145.201.210 (talk) 12:36, 15 August 2013‎ UTC

Copied from here. Acalamari 12:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Bad source for Brandy Norwood's net worth

This is a bad source and should be deleted from Brandy's wikipedia article: http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb/singer/brandy-norwood-net-worth/ -207.237.187.66 (talk) 01:16, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Please update her new music section

New interview today with Queen Latifah backstage - new music coming this year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.136.230 (talk) 21:06, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested moves

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Brandy Norwood not moved; all subtopic pages moved per consensus. The proposal to move Brandy Norwood was withdrawn per WP:NATURALDIS; their is a clear consensus to move the rest as proposed, per WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. bd2412 T 04:11, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

– An example very similar to Beyoncé, where the artist occasionally uses their full name for some projects, but is more notable for projects where they were credited mononymously. Like Beyoncé, Norwood is commonly known by her first name, Brandy. I actually am not sure where she is credited as "Brandy Norwood", how frequently she is, or if she even is at all - a brief skim of her most notable film projects shows that she is credited simply as "Brandy" in all of them (unlike Beyoncé, which is why her article was kept at "Beyoncé Knowles" for a very long time through 8 move requests).

Also, I believe all of her song/album articles list her as "Brandy" in the infobox, and Brandy (disambiguation) even says that Norwood is "better known by her mononym Brandy". So it basically seems as if we are acknowledging that her name is Brandy everywhere but the title of her main article, where her last name seems to only be present for disambiguation purposes. As she is most commonly known as Brandy (5.1 million Google results for brandy singer -norwood compared to less than 0.9 million for "brandy norwood"), the title should be disambiguated with "(entertainer)" (or "(singer)", though I think she's probably just as known for acting as she is for singing). –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:01, 10 July 2014 (UTC) note from nominator: I have revoked my suggestion of the move of the main Brandy Norwood article; all my other suggestions apply. see below.

Does the separation in the use of names rise to the level of being a pseudonym? If so they should be separate. If not we should use the same name consistently. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:08, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not super familiar with Brandy's career, but I know that all of her musical recordings credit her mononymously and some of her more significant film projects also credit her with the singular name. Perhaps someone who follows her career more closely can clarify this. –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose (entertainer) - sorry but in books entertainer means a juggler, or a music hall comedian. The now dated fad for "entertainer" for a singer who has also had a couple of film roles (much as almost any popular singer from the film era commencing) isn't encyclopedic language, but fan-blog talk. Compare "singer Brandy" 630 results with "entertainer Brandy" 7 results. Also in en.wp India (entertainer) can mean (pornstar), is this the ambiguity wanted? Aside from that neutral on Brandy (singer), WP:NATURAL suggests use the surname, but can see that at some points in her career use of surname was minimal. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
  • The definition of an entertainer is "a person who entertains others, esp. as a profession, as a singer, dancer, musician, comedian, etc." It could mean a juggler, comedian, porn star, etc., but it doesn't take long at all to read the article and find out what Ms. Norwood is notable for. Precedent for other celebrities who are notable for different forms of entertainment (such as acting and singing, in this case) is to disambiguate them with "entertainer"... even when they're far more notable for one aspect of their career such as Madonna. Which I don't completely agree with, but in this case, I think Brandy is so notable for her acting (it may not look such from her filmography, but I Still Know What You Did Last Summer was rather popular and she was the star of a very popular TV show for more than 5 years) that simply disambiguating her as a "singer" isn't accurate. –Chase (talk / contribs) 03:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Sure yes I agree, the definition of an entertainer is "a person who entertains others, esp. as a profession, as a singer, dancer, musician, comedian, etc." - which is exactly why we do not use it for singers. If you check the Category:Singer categories you will find them pretty well all at (singer) except for Madonna which has an ultra-problematic titling history at en.wp. It's not something we should duplicate at other articles. Also as an actress she was credited as Brandy Norwood in actual non-herself roles wasn't she? So anyway either (singer) or oppose, sorry. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:57, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
  • And the word "singer" is literally included in the description as an example of what an "entertainer" might be... O.o But I digress. Madonna is not the only example - Usher and Eve's articles are titled this way, Chris Brown's formerly was until it was decided that he was the primary topic and disambiguation was no longer necessary, and those are just off the top of my head... aaaand I just noticed you previously argued the same singer/entertainer point in various discussions including at Brown's article. So clearly this is is something you're pretty passionate about. But, contrary to your claims, "entertainer" most definitely applies to singers and actors, which is a part of the reason that such celebrities are covered in "Entertainment" sections on news sites, are considered part of the entertainment industry, etc.

    The exception is occasionally made for some singers to be listed as entertainers, because Eve, Usher, Madonna, Brandy, Brown, etc. are not merely singers - they are also notable for their acting work and other aspects of their career. Some more than others, and I agree that it would be perhaps more appropriate for these articles to be located at Eve (rapper), Usher (singer), Madonna (singer) due to the fact that their work in music is far more notable than their other gigs... but those aren't the celebrities we're discussing here. And Brandy is unlike these examples in that she's arguably just as notable for her acting as she is for her musical career. Hence just pigeonholing her as a "singer" wouldn't be completely accurate, and "singer and actress" would be too specific. I have suggested Brandy (singer) as an alternative request, and you seem to be strongly in favor of that one, but I still don't think it's the most appropriate title.

    And from what I know, she is credited in most of her film and TV roles as "Brandy", not "Brandy Norwood". But someone can correct me on this. –Chase (talk / contribs) 05:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Well Usher (singer) and Eve (singer) are dabbed contrary to book sources with a noisy (honorific) as well. It's embarrassing.
Yes there was a whole series of (entertainer) RMs to remove rappers from that dab. The probably basically is illustrated by the 23 RMs above - they're all songs. If she was an actress, she'd be a stub. But as the Google Books results show she isn't she's a singer who has done what every other singer does, the odd acting roles. So yes, I'm not going to change my view, other's might and you're welcome to argue it. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:25, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
The other RMs are because films and TV shows aren't typically disambiguated with the numerous actors in them, unlike album or song articles where there's (typically) one main artist to attribute it to. And again, Brandy is not merely a singer who's occasionally dabbled in acting - she's not merely a Madonna or Usher type who is mostly known for singing and does the occasional film role - she's more of a Jennifer Lopez type. She actually started in acting, did several high-profile gigs as an actress including the starring role on a TV series that lasted for more than half a decade, and is also notable for her musical career. If Lopez needed disambiguation, would simply "singer" be appropriate? would "actress"? No. So no, the use of "entertainer" is not embarrassing - it allows us to properly identify those figures who are notable for more than just one aspect of their career. –Chase (talk / contribs) 18:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose move of the singer herself but strong support all of the other proposed moves. My rationale is WP:NATURAL for the first and WP:CONCISE for the others. Red Slash 06:47, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Just asking, but assuming the page stays at Brandy Norwood per NATURAL, how would we go about, say, the main infobox in this article, since her mononym is her WP:COMMONNAME? Would "Norwood" truly be in the title solely for disambiguation, or would it be how we, more or less, "officially" (for lack of a better word) recognize her name (ie, infobox title and the like)? –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't think there's any reason to use anything but "Brandy" throughout the article (and in the infobox, etc.). Currently, we're only including the last name to naturally disambiguate the title since we can't have it at Brandy. Red Slash 09:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose moving Brandy Norwood, support the others basically per Red Slash. For the main article, the last name serves as natural disambiguation, which is generally preferable than a parentheses. For the sub-articles, the last name isn't necessary to distinguish the topics from others of the same name. "Brandy song", "Brandy album", etc. serve the purpose just as well per WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE, and possibly WP:RECOGNIZABLE.--Cúchullain t/c 14:08, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Was not aware of WP:NATURAL prior to requesting. As nominator, I now oppose the move of Brandy Norwood and maintain support for the other requests. –Chase (talk / contribs) 08:01, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep "Brandy Norwood" per wp:natural, move others per wp:concise. walk victor falk talk 09:46, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose all. A title like "List of Brandy songs" seems to violate WP:PRECISE. It sounds more like something for a list of "songs about brandy, the alcoholic beverage", not a list of "songs recorded by Brandy". Disambiguation phrases like "Brandy song" or "Brandy album" may also be similarly problematic, despite the minor WP:DIFFPUNCT change with the capital "B". As the second paragraph of WP:DIFFPUNCT notes, "in certain instances, this form of disambiguation may not be sufficient if one article is far more of a primary topic than the other". This is the case, with the beverage still being the long-term and significant primary topic of "brandy". And since the OP has rescinded the move of the Brandy Norwood page, all these other sub-articles would seem to violate WP:CONSISTENCY with the main article.Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Apparently the article was already at "Songs recorded by Brandy Norwood" and not "Brandy songs"; the incorrect listing in the OP was based on a redirect I saw in Template:Brandy Norwood, so that wouldn't be an issue, no? Nor would "Brandy song" or "Brandy album" be an issue unless the inanimate beverage has recorded and released music that I am not aware of. I see your point about consistency, but the agreement in this discussion seems to be that "Brandy" is the subject's common name and what we should refer to her by throughout the article, in her infobox, etc., with "Norwood" being present almost exclusively for disambiguation purposes. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:27, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  • The only one I could really see possibly being an issue is "List of awards and nominations received by Brandy", but I think that the capital B clearly differentiates the singer from the beverage. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:32, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  • For the song and album articles, the name used on the original releases is preferable unless there's a good reason not to use it. I thought that lists were consistent with the main article but maybe not if only needed for disambiguation; there are no disambiguated titles in Category:Lists of songs by recording artists. Peter James (talk) 21:46, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
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Requested move 2 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is that the current title is commonly used enough to be appropriate for WP:NATURAL disambiguation. (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 05:06, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Brandy Norwood → Brandy (singer) – She is known simple as Brandy, not Brandy Norwood. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:24, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Oppose. There is no need to introduce a parenthetical disambiguation when one is not needed. Her actual name works perfectly well as a WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:01, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Regardless of however this discussion ends, the Monica (singer) article should be treated consistently. — Newslinger talk 01:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Both are commonly used so the longer name is preferred per WP:NATURAL. Flooded with them hundreds 19:22, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Yeah, she's been credited both ways (and persistently over the years), so as neither really predominates, then I think WP:NATURALDIS kicks in and the article should remain at the current title. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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Vehicular collision event

Brief comment - in the text regarding Brandy Norwood's well-publicized vehicular collision it states:

"Norwood committed vehicular manslaughter"

But later on it says that there was insufficient evidence to charge her for it. I would argue - I'm no apologist for Norwood not a fan - that because the statement is not backed up by a criminal prosecution, the text should more approximately read something like:

Norwood was involved in a vehicular collision in which a person was killed

According to Law.com, the definition of vehicular Manslaughter includes that it's a "crime of causing the death of a human being due to illegal driving of an automobile, including gross negligence". The writer is thus asserting that Norwood committed a crime although it was never prosecuted as such - that's not a neutral position.

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Requested move 12 November 2020

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 21:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)



Brandy Norwood → Brandy (singer) – I am re-opening this discussion, as I still (after a long time), find it quite ridiculous that her name here is Brandy Norwood. People, her mononym   is just Brandy, look at all her single and and album covers for God's sake. Do you see her last name on B7? on Two Eleven? No, because its not a name she or her label recognize her by professionally. Do we right "XO (Beyoncé Knowles song)", or "S&M (Rihanna Fenty song)? No. This must be discussed and hopefully changed. Please, everyone comment and try and reach consensus. Williamsburger26 (talk) 00:52, 13 November 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. —Nnadigoodluck███ 11:47, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Natural disambiguation, in this case her full name, is still preferred per WP:NATURAL. -- Calidum 14:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
A late addition, but I should note that reliable sources do use her full name (not always, but enough that we can also use it for disambiguation purposes). See [4] [5] [6] and [7]. -- Calidum 15:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong support Definitely rename to her mononym name. Happypillsjr ✉ 14:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong support Absolutely rename to her mononym. If "Aaliyah" and "Monica" can be used as their mononyms so should Brandy HunterDawn (talk) 15:58, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong supportShould it not be "Brandy (entertainer)" as she is a singer AND an actress.But she is definitely known as just "Brandy"92.18.115.154 (talk) 15:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Brandy (entertainer) as singer and actress. Common name, plus aligns with List of songs recorded by Brandy, Brandy videography, and List of awards and nominations received by Brandy. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:49, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:NATURAL. I don't find the supports convincing as they don't explain why we should use a parenthetical dab when WP:ATDAB ranks natural disambiguation over parentheticals. While she may go by a mononym that's simply not an available title, so it's better to add her last name instead of a parenthetical because it's more natural, recognizable, and precise. The proposed title redirects here, so readers should have no problem finding this article even if they don't know her last name. — Wug·a·po·des​ 04:12, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:MONONYM. "Brandy Norwood" is certainly "known and fairly often used." It's how she's listed in imbd, for instance. Dohn joe (talk) 16:40, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support--24.90.116.77 (talk) 15:30, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – As an actress, she is often credited unter her full name (see IMDB). As a singer, she is known under her mononym; thus, only her discography and all articles on her albums and songs may display that. – Noboyo (talk) 22:30, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – She is known by the mononym 'Brandy' as a signer; as an entertainer (actor, spokesperson, etc.) she is known by her full name. Should she ever publish a book or write a screenplay, she will most likely be credited by her full name. I believe the most natural solution would be to credit her page by her full name, and her subpages related to her musical career by the mononym (for example, "What About Us? (Brandy song)" rather than "What About Us? (Brandy Norwood song)". – Slayanawtacct (talk) 3:38, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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