Talk:Breaking Benjamin/Archive 4

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To-do

It's been a while since I rewrote this article, and it seems it's time for an update on a few things. I'll leave a to-do list below and complete it as I organize sources:

• Update all single certifications (link), as well as chart placement data for DBD's singles. (Current section doesn't even mention the last three singles.)
  • Might also mention how DBD has the most singles of any past BB album?
  • Never Again their third no. 1 single for DBD and fourth overall (Mainstream Rock). Relevant source.
• Update the band's tour experience since release. I don't think we need to go into much detail since it's pretty much been non-stop touring, but they recently played at Reading, not to mention their co-headlining tours with Disturbed and Korn. Might as well also mention their Fall 2017 unplugged tour. (Update: also just announced a co-headlining tour with Avenged Sevenfold.)
• Fix some of the sources in the latter DBD section.
• Can probably expand on the sixth album section, with Derek Hough having a confirmed appearance on the album, also having covered "Ashes of Eden" in a choreographed music video.

User:Jacedc (talk) 03:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

For what its worth, I was the article creator/writer of Never Again (Breaking Benjamin song), which has a little more info than most of the rather crappy song articles for Breaking Benjamin. I don't know if it covers anything big-picture enough for the band article, but I thought I'd throw it out there and a content/source resource. I'm still around, maintaining this article, FYI. Lately I've been focusing a lot on creating song articles for modern rock/hard rock/alt metal bands, so I may be around to help with that too as singles start being released for Breaking Benjamin's new album too. Sergecross73 msg me 18:16, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Perfect! I'll take a look. Thanks for your work so far; indeed, most Breaking Benjamin song articles have been pretty crappy. User:Jacedc (talk) 23:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Jacedc - Looks like I ended up following through on what I said months ago - I was able to start up an article for "Red Cold River", FYI. Just letting you know since you like to look over everything BB. Sergecross73 msg me 18:53, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Awesome, good work! User:Jacedc (talk) 21:42, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Update

• Ben recently revealed the new album's name to be Ember.
• I recently found an interview in which Jasen describes the new album's sound as heavier and more complicated to play. This may be bordering on recentism though, so I'll ping @Sergecross73 to ask for your opinion?

That's all for now. Hopefully I can ride this hype train enough to find some motivation to update the rest of the article according to my earlier to-do list heh. User:Jacedc (talk) 00:28, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I think as long as you've got sources, both of those bits would be really good additions actually. Sergecross73 msg me 00:41, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Neat, I've added it then. Feel free to take a look. I'm currently preparing sources to cross off the other to-do list items as well. User:Jacedc (talk) 01:28, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Looks good. I tweaked the lead slightly, but otherwise I like it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:12, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2019

Change the word "founded" to "formed" in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the page, please. SlyJaknDaxter99 (talk) 21:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done - FlightTime (open channel) 22:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Back

Dunno if anyone's still here, just wanted to drop in and say I created a new account since I forgot the details to User:Jacedc (apparently I either didn't use an email or used one I have no access to anymore). Anyway, I'm back for a little while just to update the history section stuff, and I'm also thinking of maybe including details related to their philanthropy work and other bands they've influenced since there are a few sources for it now. Jacedc2 (talk) 22:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey there, I’m still around, watching over the article. Sorry to hear about your account. Those sound like good ideas. Sergecross73 msg me 22:37, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

2010 Hiatus Reason

In the lead in paragraph, it states that the hiatus in 2010 was due to Benjamin Burnley's "illnesses" but this is not referenced. Upon doing a little bit of research, this claim seems dubious as there is little evidence of this beyond vague discussions about his alcoholism problems. A lot more evidence suggests internal strife and disagreement within the band during this time period, than any "illness" that Burnley was going through at the time. This can be referenced easily. I'm adding a request for a reference for that section to allow an opportunity for discussion, if there is no citation/reference material that supports the "illness" claim for the hiatus, I'd like to provide the references for what was going on within the band at the time and provide that as the reason for the hiatus. As always, welcome discussion on the matter and appreciate input, thank you! RTShadow (talk) 15:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Five seconds into the most basic Google search “Breaking Benjamin 2010 hiatus” found me this source: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/breaking-benjamin-battle-mystery-illness-on-painful-road-to-number-one-40812/ so I’m a little concerned about your research methods over there... Sergecross73 msg me 16:37, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Aaron Fink

Can't Aaron Fink be counted as a backing vocalist. I've seen multiple live shows where he is doing so, if anyone wants to help me, let me know. Chimneyschangas2222 (talk) 03:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2020

change band's origin from Wilkes-Barre, PA to Selinsgrove, PA Bigfan24 (talk) 16:34, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done You need to present reliable sources to make changes. Sergecross73 msg me 16:53, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Jared Dines

@Mr. C.C.: insists on having Jared Dines be or their associated acts, just because he played live with them for one show for either one song or a couple of songs, the article does not clarify and I cannot find any article that does and even though none of the members of Breaking Benjamin have recorded with or played live with him outside of that concert. An associated act should have more than one band member having played in said act. Sure, we could add him to either the history or the touring members section, but where would that end? Gavin Rossdale played with Breaking Benjamin for one show for a cover of "Would?", should he be added too? I am sure there are more people who have played live with them as well. But if we add them, we would have to do it to the articles of all bands and all musicians . yawaraey (talk) 00:45, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

You are correct, that's not even close to enough to be considered an associated act. Sergecross73 msg me 00:48, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2022

Please add their 'Aurora' album (2020) to the list of albums - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(Breaking_Benjamin_album) 203.30.3.242 (talk) 02:37, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Guidelines say only main studio albums of new material go there when a band has its own discography article. Sergecross73 msg me 03:07, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Wrong info

Wrong town. They’re from Selinsgrove Pa 24.73.80.106 (talk) 18:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Please provide a source for this claim. Sergecross73 msg me 19:07, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2024

Add "In 2023, Breaking Benjamin were inducted into the Luzerne County Arts & Entertainment Hall of Fame. They were among the first class of inductees." Kiwiadavaz (talk) 04:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, they're a platinum selling that tours stadiums around the world. That they made a small county's hall of fame probably isn't that noteworthy in the scheme of things. Sergecross73 msg me 12:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Alternative metal note by Allmusic

Does anyone else notice that Henderson uses hip hop elements as reason to distance Breaking Benjamin from alternative metal, but that it also isn't really a hallmark of alt metal by itself? I think Allmusic is being lazy here and grouping nu metal, a subgenre of alt metal, in collectively as alternative metal, which isn't fair at all. We could do better by using existing sources in alternative metal or nu metal to help us note the discrepancy within the note. mftp dan ^oops 04:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)