Talk:Bulat Utemuratov
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Edit request November 30 2023
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Hi, I would like to present an argument for restoring recently removed content from this article, and some further amendments. I have a conflict of interest connection to Utemuratov.
Can the following sections be considered for reinstatement for the reasons provided:
1. "Since 2007 Utemuratov has been the President of the Kazakhstan Tennis Federation.[1] He has invested US$200 million to develop the sport in various ways such as establishing the country's national teams, developing children's tennis, and constructing tennis infrastructure in all major cities of Kazakhstan.[2]"
Reason: Utemuratov’s success as President of the KTF is notable for the increase in Kazakhstan's standing on the world stage in this sport. The funding, development, and talent-seeking programs which Utemuratov has overseen have most notably contributed to the successes of Elena Rybakina and Alexander Bublik, and have drawn long-form commentary from media outside of Kazakhstan such as this New York Times feature and the tennis.com feature cited later in this request. It is also arguable that his tenure in this position is one of the reasons he was elected VP of the ITF. It would therefore be sensible to reinstate this text into the Tennis section, either just before or after the sentence on the ITF position.
2. "Since September 2015, Utemuratov has been a board member of the International Tennis Federation.[3][4]"
Reason: This is an elected position which demonstrates Utemuratov’s consistent involvement in the ITF beyond his role as VP. It would make sense to reinclude this either before or after the mention of the ITF in the Tennis section.
3. "In October 2022, Kazakhstan hosted its first ever ATP 500 tournament in Astana.[5]"
Reason: This ATP 500 tournament is a reputable professional competition, is the first of its kind in Kazakhstan, and the source refers to it as Utemuratov's "baby" due to his level of involvement. Accordingly, this is both notable and relevant to Utemuratov’s biographical article on Wikipedia, and should be included at an appropriate point in the Tennis section.
Similarly, there is additional independent coverage of this and other ATP tournaments with particular focus on the effect Utemuratov has had in establishing Kazakhstan as a serious contender in professional tennis. I would like to put forward the following additional sentence, for inclusion just before the mention of the 2022 ATP 500 tournament and after the mention of infrastructure investment in point 1.
Text for addition: "During Utemuratov’s presidency of the KTF, the Astana Open was established in 2020, returning in 2021, both as licensed ATP 250 events.[4]"
4. "The Foundation's flagship project "Autism. One World for All", provides early intervention programs for autistic children and support for their families.[6]"
Reason: At present there is no context for what the Foundation does, which is not very informative. The Autism. One World for All project, as flagship, would be a sensible inclusion to ensure a minimum of understanding.
5. In the See also section, Vyacheslav Kim is an odd choice, as there is neither a private nor business connection between these two individuals. A more appropriate choice might be David Haggerty who is the president of the ITF to Utemuratov's vice-president.
6. I would like to suggest some External links:
7. Finally, the article subheadings could do with review. A previous Section too long banner suggested considering splitting content, condensing it, or adding subheadings, but the article has changed a lot since 2022. I suggest the following headings:
- (Introduction)
- Early life and education
- Career (either no-subheadings or:)
- Finance and investment
- Tennis
- Charity (no subheadings)
- Personal life
- Awards
- See also
- References
- External Links
Many thanks for considering making these restorations and changes. Podsought (talk) 14:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Kazakhstan Tennis Federation -". ktf.kz.
- ^ Futterman, Matthew (2022-10-05). "The Billionaire Trying to Turn Kazakhstan Into a Tennis Nation". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2022-11-23.
- ^ "Board of Directors". www.itftennis.com.
- ^ a b Fitzgerald, Matt (2 October 2023). "The labor of love behind the dream of Astana becoming a permanent ATP Tour stop". Tennis.com.
- ^ "La Fédération kazakhe de tennis passe à l'attaque". L'Équipe (in French). Retrieved 2022-11-23.
- ^ Sharman, Almaz (24 April 2023). "Meeting halfway: Three ways philanthropy can help society adapt to autism". Alliance magazine.
Reply 30-NOV-2023
[edit]The COI editor, while posting edit requests, is still making changes to the article themself. I think it would be prudent if the COI editor chose whether or not they wish other editors to make changes or if they are going to remain making changes themselves. There should be an economy of actions here, as working both sides of the curtain, so to speak, seems counterintuitive. Also, the COI editor has stated that this requested information was previously removed from the article, but they have not provided the diffs that show this removal, nor have they stated whether or not they consulted first with the editor(s) who made those changes. Regards, Spintendo 04:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Spintendo, happy new year! I thought my moving of the sentence to its intended location within the text was not a controversial move and possibly not worth requesting as it seemed a bit bureaucratic, which is why I made this change directly. I am happy to incorporate such changes into my requests going forward, but it does seem counterintuitive to bother the community with very simple, logical changes that don't really merit discussion. I also brought several instances of one citation under a single reference name; I also did not believe this required committee sign off so to speak.
- The diff for the removed material is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bulat_Utemuratov&diff=1184173063&oldid=1182729788
- As I am not requesting the whole text be restored, and in any case, the merits of each sentence would need to be discussed, I presented them for individual consideration. I think it might be worth a third party having a look, as you were the editor who removed this information. As I'm sure we both sincerely believe our arguments for removing/keeping the argument have merit, it would be nice to get another view. Podsought (talk) 13:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Request Resubmission 2 February 2024
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I would like to re-open the 8 November request up to other editors to review. As I mentioned in my comment on 10 January, I would appreciate getting a wider consensus. The suggestions are below and all refer to material removed in this diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bulat_Utemuratov&diff=1184173063&oldid=1182729788
Can the following sections be considered for reinstatement for the reasons provided:
1. "Since 2007 Utemuratov has been the President of the Kazakhstan Tennis Federation.[1] He has invested US$200 million to develop the sport in various ways such as establishing the country's national teams, developing children's tennis, and constructing tennis infrastructure in all major cities of Kazakhstan.[2]"
Reason: Utemuratov’s success as President of the KTF is notable for the increase in Kazakhstan's standing on the world stage in this sport. The funding, development, and talent-seeking programs which Utemuratov has overseen have most notably contributed to the successes of Elena Rybakina and Alexander Bublik, and have drawn long-form commentary from media outside of Kazakhstan such as this New York Times feature and the tennis.com feature cited later in this request. It is also arguable that his tenure in this position is one of the reasons he was elected VP of the ITF. It would therefore be sensible to reinstate this text into the Tennis section, either just before or after the sentence on the ITF position.
2. "Since September 2015, Utemuratov has been a board member of the International Tennis Federation.[3][4]"
Reason: This is an elected position which demonstrates Utemuratov’s consistent involvement in the ITF beyond his role as VP. It would make sense to reinclude this either before or after the mention of the ITF in the Tennis section.
3. "In October 2022, Kazakhstan hosted its first ever ATP 500 tournament in Astana.[5]"
Reason: This ATP 500 tournament is a reputable professional competition, is the first of its kind in Kazakhstan, and the source refers to it as Utemuratov's "baby" due to his level of involvement. Accordingly, this is both notable and relevant to Utemuratov’s biographical article on Wikipedia, and should be included at an appropriate point in the Tennis section.
Similarly, there is additional independent coverage of this and other ATP tournaments with particular focus on the effect Utemuratov has had in establishing Kazakhstan as a serious contender in professional tennis. I would like to put forward the following additional sentence, for inclusion just before the mention of the 2022 ATP 500 tournament and after the mention of infrastructure investment in point 1.
Text for addition: "During Utemuratov’s presidency of the KTF, the Astana Open was established in 2020, returning in 2021, both as licensed ATP 250 events.[4]"
4. "The Foundation's flagship project "Autism. One World for All", provides early intervention programs for autistic children and support for their families.[6]"
Reason: At present there is no context for what the Foundation does, which is not very informative. The Autism. One World for All project, as flagship, would be a sensible inclusion to ensure a minimum of understanding.
5. In the See also section, Vyacheslav Kim (and now Almaz Alsenov) is an odd choice, as there is neither a private nor business connection between these individuals. A more appropriate choice might be David Haggerty who is the president of the ITF to Utemuratov's vice-president.
6. I would like to suggest some External links:
7. Finally, the article subheadings could do with review. A previous Section too long banner suggested considering splitting content, condensing it, or adding subheadings, but the article has changed a lot since 2022. I suggest the following headings:
- (Introduction)
- Early life and education
- Career (either no-subheadings or:)
- Finance and investment
- Tennis
- Charity (no subheadings)
- Personal life
- Awards
- See also
- References
- External Links
References
- ^ "Kazakhstan Tennis Federation -". ktf.kz.
- ^ Futterman, Matthew (2022-10-05). "The Billionaire Trying to Turn Kazakhstan Into a Tennis Nation". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2022-11-23.
- ^ "Board of Directors". www.itftennis.com.
- ^ a b Fitzgerald, Matt (2 October 2023). "The labor of love behind the dream of Astana becoming a permanent ATP Tour stop". Tennis.com.
- ^ "La Fédération kazakhe de tennis passe à l'attaque". L'Équipe (in French). Retrieved 2022-11-23.
- ^ Sharman, Almaz (24 April 2023). "Meeting halfway: Three ways philanthropy can help society adapt to autism". Alliance magazine.
Many thanks for considering making these restorations and changes. Please let me know if there is anything I can help clarify! Podsought (talk) 17:58, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Closing this request as this has had no engagement at all. I will review what I asked for to see if anything should be pursued further and what should be dropped. Podsought (talk) 17:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Conflict of Interest Request
[edit]![]() | Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. |
Hi, I have a conflict of interest with Bulat Utemuratov and would like to suggest 3 quick changes to the article. If you have any questions or thoughts please contact me on my Talk page!
1. In the second paragraph of the Career section, the statement "Subsequent reports suggested that Utemuratov's stake in ATF had been larger than previously known and that he and family members made more than $1 billion from the sale" is inaccurate, and should be removed.
The Bloomberg source provided does not mention any such reports that the size of the stake was different than previously known.
Reason for change: As a Biography of a Living Person, this article should not make claims which aren’t supported by sources.
2. In the fourth paragraph of the Career section, the sentence "This close relationship with Nazarbayev led to Utemuratov being given the nickname "the grey cardinal" in Kazakhstan" is not strictly accurate or supported by the provided Times article.
Could it please be changed to the following, which is supported by the following Reuters article:
"Utemuratov has been unofficially nicknamed "a grey cardinal" due to his connections with Kazakhstan's political and business elite."
Reason for change: This version of the sentence is more accurate and also explicitly stated in the source provided.
3. In the Tennis section, can the following facts be added at the beginning of the paragraph:
"Since 2007 Utemuratov has been the President of the Kazakhstan Tennis Federation.[1] During Utemuratov’s presidency of the KTF, the Astana Open was established in 2020, returning in 2021, both as licensed ATP 250 events.[2]"
Reason for change: This material was previously in the article, and as his involvement in Kazakhstan Tennis is one of the more notable aspects of Utemuratov’s modern career, so I think it should be restored.
References
- ^ Futterman, Matthew (5 October 2022). "The Billionaire Trying to Turn Kazakhstan Into a Tennis Nation". The New York Times.
- ^ Fitzgerald, Matt (2 October 2023). "The labor of love behind the dream of Astana becoming a permanent ATP Tour stop". Tennis.com.
Many thanks for taking a look at these proposed changes. Podsought (talk) 14:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Partly done: Implemented some of the sources and information. Others I added "citation needed." Regarding the second tennis sentence, it doesn't read as particularly relevant to the article in my view, as it's about the organization, rather than about Utemuratov. Likeanechointheforest (talk) 01:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Likeanechointheforest! Thank you for taking the time to consider my request and implement parts of it.
- Regarding point one, you implemented a "citation needed" tag which I definitely agree with. My concern is this could cause an unsupported instance of original research to persist on the page, and as Wikipedia has no deadline for addressing such tags - and because no suitable source would be found - this could go on for some time.
- I would argue that this calls for a bold action and just removing the unsupported wording; would that be something you'd be happy to do? Thanks again for answering Podsought (talk) 16:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I did more research here and agree with you. I can't find any information indicative of that claim. If such information is found, I think it should absolutely be placed onto the page, but for now I am going to remove it. Likeanechointheforest (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Likeanechointheforest, agreed on all points and grateful again for your help in answering this request. Podsought (talk) 09:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I did more research here and agree with you. I can't find any information indicative of that claim. If such information is found, I think it should absolutely be placed onto the page, but for now I am going to remove it. Likeanechointheforest (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
September Edit Request
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Hi I have a conflict of interest with Bulat Utemuratov and would like to suggest some further quick changes to the article, largely suggesting that headings be changed or material be moved/clarified. Thank you in advance for reviewing and please let me know if you have any questions at all either in the replies or at my Talk page.
1. The sentence currently at the end of the 'Career' section before the Glencore subheading covers events which took place in the nineties: "In 1996 Utemuratov was appointed as ambassador to Switzerland, a position he held for three years."
It would make more sense chronologically if this sentence were moved so it was the second sentence in the 'Career' section, so that it is read before events transpiring in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
Reason for change: Chronological order makes more sense to a reader.
2. I suggest removing the 'Freezing of assets' section heading.
Reason for change: It is undue emphasis to have a whole section dedicated to a revoked injunction, and the second paragraph of two in this section is about a different topic.
3. Add wording to provide context for speech paragraph.
Reason for change: The paragraph on Hodge's speech neglects to indicate that the comments were protected by with parliamentary privilege (confirmed in the Forbes source). This is a significant detail because parliamentary privilege legally allows MPs to make comments that do not require proof while protecting against accusations of defamation.
Can wording be added to clarify this protection, i.e. "In March 2022, Dame Margaret Hodge, a British Member of Parliament, named Utemuratov in a speech using parliamentary privilege advocating for sanctions against Kazakh billionaires."
4. Remove the 'See Also' section.
Reason for change: The individuals mentioned have no relation or connection professionally to Utemuratov. No other articles in the Category:Kazakhstani businesspeople have a 'See Also' section linking to other random individuals in this category.
Many thanks for considering these changes. Podsought (talk) 16:11, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Partly done: Didn't do 2 because there are other subsections there. They structure the section and it wouldn't make sense to remove them. I also don't see how the parliamentary privilege adds any relevant context to the sentence. Defamation doesn't come up in the article. Likeanechointheforest (talk) 18:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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