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Totally biased[edit]

Perhaps get an impartial Bulgarian to write up this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.143.247 (talk) 16:12, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

POV?[edit]

The statement "unlike many former Soviet bloc militaries, discipline and morale problems are not common" seems a bit POV. Can the author provide information regarding the lack of discipline in the Armed Forces of the former Warsaw Pact countries? Also it seems to be a problem with the references supplied for this particular bit of the article: http://www.md.government.bg/bg/20090121.html. It points to a page that doesn't exist. Can someone take a look at it? Thanks, Hukkah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hukkah (talk • contribs) 21:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bulgarian Navy[edit]

Does anyone know what the prefix for Bulgarian naval vessels is? For example, United States naval ships have the prefix "USS". – Zntrip 23:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The bulgarian navy has NO prefix. We don't have many ships, so such thing is not needed. It would be logical to be BS or RBS but it is not. BraikoT 09:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The bulgarian navy has NO prefix on the ship hulls, such as F, FF, U etc. but at multinational exercises and so on the unofficial prefix is BGS for BulGarian Ship. For example the BGS-41 is the frigate Drazki. This nummeration is also written on the "baseball caps" the seamen wear on exercises and their day-to-day duties. User:unregistered 00:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.180.206 (talk) [reply]

Current Iraq Mission[edit]

I would like to see something about the current mission at FOB Grizzly in Camp Ashraf, Iraq. --JAYMEDINC 22:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bulgarians in Ashraf BraikoT 09:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 2nd Guard Company was recently replaced in Iraq by another Bulgarian Army unit. [1] Soldiers have been recently recalled for putting an operation at risk and also video surfacing of them being disrespectful to Iraqis sometime from January 15 - July 15, 2004. [2] [3] --JAYMEDINC 16:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The 1st Guard Company preceded the 2nd Guard Co in the Temporary Interview and Protection Facility in Camp Ashraf. [4] Still trying to find out what unit is there now. --JAYMEDINC 00:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't call them Guard units. This is not only incorrect, it's wrong. We do have our Guard and it has nothing to do with overseas deployments. It is a purely ceremonial guard of honor, which doesn't even fall under the Defence Staff. It is a service directly subordinate to the minister of defence. Our units on overseas duties were (and in teh case of Afghanistan still are) called Security, and not Guard companies, because in Bulgarian they are Okhranitelni Roti, from the verb "okhranyavam" (to secure). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.180.206 (talk) 12:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still looking for info on what the new name of the FOB within Camp Ashraf is. When I was there it was FOB Spartan, than changed to FOB Grizzly. The name changed every time a new US Battalion took charge. --JAYMEDINC 16:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the 382nd Military Police Battalion took over and decided not to re-name the FOB after themselves. It is still FOB Grizzly. [5] --JAYMEDINC 00:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphic of the Structure of the Bulgarian Army[edit]

I'm currently working on a project to create graphics of the structure of the European Armies. i.e. France. I want to make also a graphic of the Bulgarian Army, but the information at this point is not sufficient. I need to know which units compromise the Bulgatian Army down to the Bataillon level before i can start working on the graphic. At this point neither the English wikipedia nor the English version of the official homepage of the Bulgarian Army (http://www.mod.bg/en/land_structure.html) have this information. Can anyone help? Thanks noclador

Su-25[edit]

The photo of the Su-25SM aircraft is not of a Bulgarian Air Force Su. It is Russian(i suppose it is from a Russian Air show, on the balloon in the background there are some writings in Russian) and besides there aren't any Su-25 SM in the BG Air Force(i think?). There are some nice photos of BG Su25 in flight on the net, from a NATO Cooperative Key Exercise in France, i think year 2001. Initially i wanted to upload one of them, but I am not acquainted with the Copyright and license tags on wikipedia so can anyone who has better knowledge of these things, please search for e better photo of a Bulgarian Su-25? Noodles Paine 08:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC) 08:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply] 

Done ;) BraikoT 07:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SS-21[edit]

Does anyone have a source about the exact number of SS-21 missiles ? As long as I know there are some 15 launchers. Dont know the number of missiles, but the standart pack for the Scarab-B is 36 I think. - Tourbillon A ? 09:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Afghanistan[edit]

The picture of the Bulgarian patrol in Afghanistan is from the summer of 2010. These are the 68 Special Forces Brigade operators — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.150.88.57 (talk) 04:14, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: No objections to the move. — Luchesar • T/C 17:28, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rename page[edit]

This page needs to be renamed. There are three different possibilities to do so:

1) revert the page to its previous name Military of Bulgaria, as this is the common format here on Wikipedia.

2) rename the page to Bulgarian Army. This is the official name of the institution, sanctioned by law. The LAW ON DEFENCE AND ARMED FORCES OF THE REPUBLIC OF BULGARIA explicitly states, that:

Art. 50. (amend. - SG 16/10, in force from 26.02.2010) (1) The military forces of the Republic of Bulgaria shall include: 1. the Bulgarian army;

Art. 60a. (new - SG 16/10, in force from 26.02.2010) (1) The Bulgarian Army is a national military institution, a basis of the Bulgarian Armed Forces.[1]

3) rename the page to Bulgarian Armed Forces. While the official legal name of the armed forces is Bulgarian Army, a significant misinterpretation by foreigners might occur, that the name relates only to the ground combat arm of the forces, as the word "Army" is internationally understood to mean exactly that. However in Bulgaria the naming Bulgarian Army encompasses not only the Land Forces (the official name of the ground combat service), but the Air Force and Navy aswell. In order to avoid this misinterpretation when cooperating in international environment, the Bulgarian Ministry of Defence has chosen to make a compromise with the naming and the name tabs on the uniforms of Bulgarian officers and servicemen are bilingual. The Bulgarian section reads "Българска армия", which is literally Bulgarian Army in Bulgarian, but the English section reads Bulgarian Armed Forces:

http://www.работно-облекло.name/images/Embridery/BASahara.jpg

http://dariknews.bg/uploads/news_images/201407/photo_verybig_1302422.jpg

Unfortunately this picture is not high-resolution, but you can see the bilingual name tab "Българска армия (Bulgarian Army)/ Bulgarian Armed Forces" on the uniform of this Air Force Major:

http://armymedia.bg/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/velislav_todorov.jpg

The name Army of the Republic of Bulgaria is not only fictional, as it has never been used neither officially, nor unofficially. Moreover it is insulting, because it is following foreign naming traditions, while blatantly disregarding those of the country in question and the author of that edit has not even justified his action with a single reference. While there are some examples for such format of the naming of the armed forces of European countries, for example: - Armáda České republiky (which is Army of the Czech Republic in Czech) or - Армија на Република Македонија (which is Army of the Republic of Macedonia in Macedonian) this has never ever been the case for the Bulgarian armed forces and quite frankly this nonsense would be the same as for example naming the Colombian Air Force Ejercito del Aire Colombiano because the Spanish Air Force is called Ejercito del Aire.

Regards, B.Velikov (talk) 20:36, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with B.Velikov. The most appropriate name for the article seems Bulgarian Armed Forces, which not only is what apparently is the official name in English, but also goes in line with e.g. United States Armed Forces (which, not coincidentally, also include the US Army, but also the USAF and the USN, just like the Bulgarian Armed Forces include these three major branches of the military). — Luchesar • T/C 14:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that Bulgarian Armed Forces would be a satisfactory title of the article. Apcbg (talk) 17:33, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.md.government.bg/en/doc/zakoni/20100226_ZOVSRB.pdf

Requested move 18 February 2016[edit]

Army of the Republic of Bulgaria → Bulgarian Armed Forces – Per the discussion on the talk page. — Luchesar • T/C 15:24, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, there are no objections to the move. Therefore, even though I've been involved in the discussion, I think it's acceptable for me to also close it. — Luchesar • T/C 17:28, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I began to collect material about the Bulgarian Army structure in 1989. The information I collected from various sites and blogs until now can be found at User:Noclador/sandbox/Bulgaria. In the end this article should be as detailed and complete as the article Czechoslovak People's Army. However I am unable to find more detailed information and I am also short of reliable sources, both of which are needed before the article can be completed and then be posted to Structure of the Bulgarian Army in 1989. If anyone reading this has information about the Bulgarian Army in 1989, please either write me at my User talk:Noclador page or insert your information at User:Noclador/sandbox/Bulgaria. Thank you, noclador (talk) 17:38, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Alert[edit]

There must be some descripency. The figures are outdated. This article states that there are about 32000 military personnel. The land forces article states that there are about 36000! Now, the latter cannot obviously be higher than the former. 180.150.113.77 (talk) 14:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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