Talk:Carpentersville Middle School
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[edit]This article took me a month. I don't know why it got declined so many times. EDG_543 (talk) 18:05, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- @EDG 543: Again, middle schools are not automatically notable, and the references for this school cite routine and local coverage, falling short of WP:ORGDEPTH. Piling on local reports of staff misconduct doesn't help. Removing reviewers' comments and resubmitting doesn't help either. • Gene93k (talk) 18:48, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Notability
[edit]@EDG 543: The article has plenty of references. The main problem here is that the subject itself doesn't seem to meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). This is pretty common with middle schools: see WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. The requirement for notability is significant coverage in multiple "reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject". I've looked at the 49 references, and tagged whether they would count for notability. (Excuse the ugly formatting; I put some source names in [brackets] so I didn't lose my place in the list. "Self" means it doesn't count for notability because the subject is writing about itself.)
- no
- no
- no
- self
- no & also a bad reference (effectively using Wikipedia itself as a reference) [Gutenberg]
- self
- no
- not really (independent, but all-school routine coverage required by state law) [Illinois Report Card listed as "IRC" below]
- self
- self [d300.org]
- no (passing mention, not a primary focus)
- duplicate (effectively part of source 8 IRC)
- no (mostly-automated coverage of all schools, with comments sections)
- no (probably mostly-automated coverage of all schools - also dead link now)
- not really (independent, but all-school routine coverage required by federal law, and also probably mostly sourced to 8 IRC)
- duplicate (14)
- no (indiscriminate automated directory of statistics from other sources)
- no (indiscriminate automated directory of from other sources)
- no (automated directory)
- duplicate (8 IRC) [IRC]
- duplicate (14) & dead
- duplicate (14) & dead
- no (indiscriminate automated directory of statistics from other sources)
- not really (coverage of district changes, CMS one of 5 involved)
- YES but local (independent, substantial coverage mostly about CMS building addition) [Daily Herald]
- YES but local (independent, substantial coverage mostly about CMS building addition) [Northwest Herald]
- duplicate (8 IRC)
- self (appears to be affiliated with school) & dead
- no
- self (not independent of the subject) [CMS music site]
- self (not independent of the subject)
- no
- no
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school)
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school)
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school)
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school)
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school)
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school)
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school) [Aurora Beacon-News]
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school)
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school)
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school)
- no (about a teacher, not substantially about the school)
- YES but local (independent, substantial coverage about CMS food pantry) [Daily Herald]
- YES but local (independent, substantial coverage about CMS food pantry) [Elgin Courier-News]
- self
- YES but local (independent, substantial coverage about CMS food pantry) [Daily Herald]
- self
Per WP:AUD, since this is a worldwide encyclopedia, substantial notice beyond local notability is required. I thought of the Chicago Tribune, but it turned out that articles on its website are likely just carrying the Elgin Courier-News; maybe appearance in the print city edition might indicate wider coverage. Some ideas for showing substantial independent coverage:
- If you can find some news articles outside of Chicago that are specifically about the school, that would help.
- Middle schools weren't as common back in the 1950s. Is there a chance that this school had a different name that would show up in older newspapers? Maybe Dundee Community High School?
- Was it built as a replacement for an older school that was discontinued in the 1950s? Community unit school districts were invented in 1949, so there's a good chance that District 300 was founded sometime between 1949 and 1954 and built the school to replace one or more older schools. Those schools might not have any more substantial non-local coverage than CMS does though; usually they were smaller and very localized.
Hope this helps. --Closeapple (talk) 08:10, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
@Closeapple: Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. EDG 543 (talk) 17:17, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
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Please do not bully on wikipedia. For more info, please refer to Wikipedia:The Rules of Polite Discourse, Wikipedia:WikiBullying, and/or Wikipedia:Civility. I've worked very hard to make this Wikipedia article. I don't need you guys ruining it. EDG 543 (talk) 17:54, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
You are ruining the Carpentersville Middle School page. I thought that was matter-of-fact. Sorry about being unclear. Also, the main request was that you stop bullying. EDG 543 (talk) 18:19, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
@Primefac: Honestly, I'm more mad at Gene93k. He's just mad because he told me my article wasn't good enough then, when it got accepted, I told him "U mad bro" and stuff. Now he's salty. But also, the article was just fine before you guys changed it. Again, the main topic was to address the bullying that took place by Steven (Editor)EDG 543 (talk) 18:37, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
@Gene93k: I don't understand how saying that you're salty is a personal attack. Can you explain that please? EDG 543 (talk) 15:34, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @Primefac: Then you may need a new pair of glasses, bro. Hint hint. Look again. @Primefac: Wikipedia:You do need to cite that the sky is blue. Also, You're saying that I could've called the article whatever I wanted and not have to verify the name? That makes absolutely no sense. Me putting it in the title doesn't prove that it is actually called that. You have messed up logic. EDG 543 (talk) 15:44, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
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[edit]It says that it will unlock April 24, which is today. Why is it still locked? EDG 543 (talk) 15:19, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- It's not, the protection expired at 14:46 UTC today. The gold lock image is only there -- if you see it -- until a bot notices it and removes it. The page has been unprotected. Edit gently please :) MPS1992 (talk) 18:18, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- @MPS1992: Thanks so much EDG 543 (talk) 19:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
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