Talk:Chain migration

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Cite or delete[edit]

Better cite some statistics about that immigration or delete this article altogether!!!--Cuvtixo 04:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other issues can be added to this article, such as people coming in for arranged marriages (particularly common in the UK)--MartinUK (talk) 12:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Such uses are covered in the entry on family reunification. Terjen (talk) 07:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uses of the term[edit]

It seems like this term has other uses than for immigration: Demographers have a name for it: chain migration. “People who live near each other share information about where to retire, where to vacation,” said Lance deHaven-Smith, a professor of public administration at Florida State University in Tallahassee. “They tell their friends and neighbors, and then they end up in the same place.”[1][2] Terjen (talk) 07:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chain migration: A migration process which depends on a small number of pioneers, who make the first moves to set up a new home in a new place. They send information back home, and this encourages further migration from the originating area. A British example comes from young men from the Indian subcontinent, who, after finding work and a place to stay in the UK, would send for other members of their families over the years. [3] Expanded.Terjen (talk) 08:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have references for a couple of examples of this "chain migration" phenomina between Mexico and the US, where the concept is discussed, without using the term.
One is an article that appeared in the Winston-Salem Journal, titled Mexican Ways, African Roots. The original link [4] is broken, and I can't see a date hidden in the URL that might give a publication date, so it might not be so easy to give a proper reference. (I suspect that the original publication date may have been Sunday, June 19, 2005, but it would take a trip to the library to verify this.) I did manage to find the content of the article online here: [5] The article discusses the chain migration (without using the term) of Afro-Mexicans from Cuajinicuilapa (Cuaji), Mexico to Winston-Salem, North Carolina, starting from a single original pioneer, Biterbo Calleja-Garcia.
The other is an article titled Unofficial sister cities: Meatpacking labor migration between Villachuato, Mexico, and Marshalltown, Iowa. [6] This article does not use the term, but the concept discussed certainly fits.
--Ramsey2006 (talk) 13:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is the term chain migration pejorative?[edit]

Some advocacy groups, like AILA, see it in this way. I think the point should be noted in the body of the article. Tedperl (talk) 20:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In 2018 in the United States it is definitely used in a way that assumes it's a problem Elinruby (talk) 11:29, 28 January 2018 (UTC) Elinruby (talk) 11:29, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that the term "chain migration" is pejorative. Its been around in academic literature for some time. "Chain migration" is used to describe migration concepts in at least three well-known books on the subject:
(1) Roger Daniels (2002) - Coming to America: A History of Immigration and Ethnicity in American Life, p. 19.
(2) Paul Boyle, Keith Halfacree, and Vaughan Robinson (2002) - Exploring Contemporary Migration, p. 36.
(3) Nikos Papastergiadis (2000) - The Turbulence of Migration, p. 28.
Whether or not someone thinks its a "problem" doesn't really matter. Its an academic term. Darryl.jensen (talk) 17:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

US-centric[edit]

This article is almost entirely about the US. I suggest the existing sections should be renamed to relate specifically to the US, and other countries added; or else the whole article be renamed so as to be specific to the US. Ben Finn (talk) 09:38, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Elinruby (talk) 11:30, 28 January 2018 (UTC) Elinruby (talk) 11:30, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Problems associated with chain migration section is a mess[edit]

It read likes a conservative think tank's PR piece. Miserlou (talk) 08:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

paragraph in lead[edit]

There are multiple issues with this paragraph.

  • The lead is supposed to be a summary of the article body. But all that I can find in the body is the unsourced statement "In the United States, the term 'chain migration' is used by advocates of limiting immigration to partially explain the volume and national origins of legal immigration since 1965."
  • The quote from the book on Polish migration just shows how one particular author defines the two terms in a *very specific context*. Chain migration is: "women invite sisters, mothers, female cousins and friends to join them". So chain migration can't involve men then? If this claim is true more generally, there will be better references available.
  • The incorrect term "chain migration" - eh? Is "undocumented immigrant" more or less correct than "illegal alien"? If your argument is "family reunification" occurs in U.S. legislation, well, I'd point out that "illegal alien" is also the term used in legal documents. Also, where is this claim made in Vox (and is Vox an acceptabnle source for making contentious political statements in wikipedia's voice?) NPalgan2 (talk) 20:24, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

NPalgan2 reversion[edit]

Could I ask that instead of wholesale reversion of my collection of edits you point out any specific deficiencies that you see? Thanks in advance - Hoplon (talk) 02:39, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • You repeatedly ended sentences with double periods e.g. "... and friends.[1]. "
  • Broken references e.g. Cite error: The <ref> tag has too many names (see the help page). Use the cite tool. (With page numbers - how is someone supposed to find the reference in a hundreds of pages long book?)
  • "Concern over Chain Migration" Small point, but see MOS:SECTIONCAPS
  • You inserted spaces when adding citations, which is ... not done, e.g. "The term was coined in 1964 [2]"
  • Citing just "Linden" is wrong too (should be "van der Linden and Hofmeester". Read WP:CITE.

Stuff like this will get your contributions reverted by other editors. NPalgan2 (talk) 16:49, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the specifics, I can work on those - Hoplon (talk) 19:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ David Bartram, Maritsa Poros, and Pierre Monforte (1964), Key Concepts in Migration{{citation}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  2. ^ Marcel van der Linden and Karin Hofmeester (2017), {{citation}}: Missing or empty |title= (help); Unknown parameter |Title= ignored (|title= suggested) (help)

AP style guide says to avoid the term 'Chain migration'[edit]

Avoid the term "chain migration": “A term applied by immigration hardliners to what the U.S. government calls family-based immigration, a longstanding program granting preference to people with relatives who already have legal residency or U.S. citizenship. Avoid the term except when used in a quotation, and explain it.”[7] Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:22, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the info here. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:42, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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