Talk:Columbarium

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Ancient calumbaria are found in caves dating from at least as early as 1000 BCE in the foothills of the Judean Hills in Israel.

Archaeologists theorize that pigeons/doves were kept in the little pockets of the columbarium, and used for meat, their manure, and possibly messaging (carrier pigeons) as well.

Evidence for using the columbarium for storing cremated human remains is non-existent in these caves, and the fact that there are hundreds of actual burial caves in the area also tends to contradict the idea of cremation and storage in a columbarium.

When did it occur that columbaria began to be used for cremation remains burial? Medieval dovecotes were not a rarity, but how did they come eventually to be associated completely with the internment of ashes?

68.164.170.178 00:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because of the similarity in design of the two types of building; however, I have no reference for that. Perhaps some intelligent and helpful person might hunt one done.

Nuttyskin (talk) 01:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Cremation in Catholicism[edit]

cremation is permitted provided that the cremated remains are entombed.

This is complete nonsense: I was a Roman Catholic for more than forty years, during which time I attended more funerals than I care to remember, most of them in honour of dead Catholics, and all but two of them were cremations. After cremation, most of the ashes were either given to their loved ones to keep in an urn; scattered in private; or disposed of by the crematorium. On two occasions, the dispersal was into a flowing river, and I know because I myself scattered them. None of them were entombed; nor have I ever heard of any Catholic teaching concerning such disposal of remains. Nuttyskin (talk) 01:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Catholics often do not abide by the catholic doctrine regarding the conservation of ashes. See here ^[1]:

"the conservation of the ashes of the departed in a domestic residence is not permitted."
"In order that every appearance of pantheism, naturalism or nihilism be avoided, it is not permitted to scatter the ashes of the faithful departed"
"When the deceased notoriously has requested cremation and the scattering of their ashes for reasons contrary to the Christian faith, a Christian funeral must be denied to that person according to the norms of the law."

Hypnôs (talk) 02:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Instruction Ad resurgendum cum Christo regarding the burial of the deceased and the conservation of the ashes in the case of cremation".

[1] "Instruction Ad resurgendum cum Christo regarding the burial of the deceased and the conservation of the ashes in the case of cremation".

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