Talk:Dark Magus

Dark Magus has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: January 12, 2014. (Reviewed version).

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Dark Magus article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Albums

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Albums, an attempt at building a useful resource on recordings from a variety of genres. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.AlbumsWikipedia:WikiProject AlbumsTemplate:WikiProject AlbumsAlbum articles

Jazz Mid‑importance

	Jazz portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Jazz, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of jazz on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JazzWikipedia:WikiProject JazzTemplate:WikiProject JazzJazz articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

R&B and Soul Music Low‑importance

	R&B and Soul Music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject R&B and Soul Music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of R&B and Soul Music articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.R&B and Soul MusicWikipedia:WikiProject R&B and Soul MusicTemplate:WikiProject R&B and Soul MusicR&B and Soul Music articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Rock music Low‑importance

	Rock music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Rock music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Rock music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Rock musicWikipedia:WikiProject Rock musicTemplate:WikiProject Rock musicRock music articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Dark Magus/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 04:51, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give this a review sometime this weekend. Wizardman 04:51, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the issues I found:

The album cover is a bit large for a non-free image. Would prefer shrinking it down (300x300 should suffice).

Done. Dan56 (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Would like a citation for his health and other issues in the background section.

The first four lines in that paragraph are attributed to citation ^[2] (this article). Dan56 (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Davis was influenced by Karlheinz Stockhausen and sought to avoid individual songs in favor of extended movements that transmuted into succeeding compositions" I see what it's trying to say (the songs kinda blend into each other rather than being standalone), but it reads a bit oddly; could the second part be reworded?

"The first part of "Nne" is Davis' "Ife"" Even with knowing what the track names are I don't get this sentence, reword if you can, or maybe explain what Ife is (like the four tracks are explained). This paragraph's a bit hard to read as a whole, but given what it's trying to say I'm not sure if there's an easier way to write it.
"Near the end of "Nne", Davis played a short blues" I feel like this is missing a word, i.e. "...played a short blues piece."

"A blues" is a singular noun believe it or not (wikt:blues#Noun, seventh definition). There would technically be a slight difference, in that even though "a blues" has a blues form, that doesn't necessarily make it under the blues genre. Dan56 (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Down Beat credited the frantic burbles of congas on "Moja" and "Tatu" for presaging oldschool jungle by 20 years." you mean predating? to me that sounds better.

Kk. Dan56 (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Allmusic's Thom Jurek called it an exaggerated and excessive showcase of Davis' disoriented psyche and felt that, although the rhythm section is historically compelling, the other musicians' playing is inconsistent, albeit enthralling." Is this a quotation? Sounds like the latter part is; if not this can be ignored.

No, just paraphrased Jurek's sentiment. Dan56 (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For the other points I didn't address directly here, I attempted to revise those bits with this edit. Dan56 (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll put the article on hold and will pass when the issues are fixed. Wizardman 20:10, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Everything reads better now, so I will pass the article as a GA. Wizardman 15:53, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, bear with me because I'm very new to this. Would you mind if I made specific reference to Enrico Merlin in the composition section? His research focused on musical themes which would mark the end of once composition, and signal the beginning of another. [1]. For example, even though Miles plays the theme of Calypso Frelimo at the start of Tatu (part 2), this is the only audible theme of this song, the remainder of the track continues in the same repetitive and groove-orientated manner that forms the basis of Wili. I think it's very important to acknowledge Enrico here. Bill E Bailey (talk) 16:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Tingen book[edit]

Bill_E_Bailey, in response to this, sure, feel free to add new information to the article, but please use the talk page here rather than the GA Review page. Dan56 (talk) 01:31, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Magus was received ambivalently[edit]

The source says, "Critical reaction at the time was mixed," so why not just repeat that? Ambivalent means especially strong reviews in both directions, as in many critics loved it and many hated it, but that's not what the source says, which sounds more like lukewarm than ambivalent. I would make the change myself, but Danny56 would prolly just revert it, so I was wondereing if anyone else agrees that we should prolly avoid "ambivalent", that is, unless/until a reliable source states this explicitly. Harmelodix (talk) 22:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Dark Magus. Please take a moment to review my edit. You may add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it, if I keep adding bad data, but formatting bugs should be reported instead. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether, but should be used as a last resort. I made the following changes:

Attempted to fix sourcing for http://www.sundayherald.com/bestalbums.shtml

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 13:26, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Dark Magus. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Corrected formatting/usage for //www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/d/davis_miles/dark-magus.shtml

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 03:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Dark Magus. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Corrected formatting/usage for //www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/d/davis_miles/dark-magus.shtml

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 21:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Dark Magus. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Corrected formatting/usage for //www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/d/davis_miles/dark-magus.shtml

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 10:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bold edits to lead reverted[edit]

@67.224.75.23:, your revision to Dark Magus is reverted, because it, along with adding new content unverified in the article ("spanning different eras … an afteroon show recorded in Japan during February of 1975 … recorded at that same day's evening show"), goes off-topic from the article's topic, i.e. Dark Magus. The topic of the article is not the release activity of Columbia Records in the period of Davis' retirement, but your style of writing and expansion on that topic appears to treat the lead as if it is the topic of the article. Per MOS:INTRO, the lead is meant to establish the noteworthiness of the topic, and "Editors should avoid lengthy paragraphs and overly specific descriptions – greater detail is saved for the body of the article." Same in MOS:LEADNO: "According to the policy on due weight, emphasis given to material should reflect its relative importance to the subject, according to published reliable sources." Your edits introduced a discrepancy in emphasis of the topic of Columbia's release of other albums, so I reverted them in order to "harmonize coverage in the lead with material in the body of the article." Following WP:BRD, at this point you should continue this discussion if you still desire changes to be made, instead of continuing to revert back to your preferred new version. isento (talk) 16:16, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]