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King Kong Bundy article, as it applies to our Deaths in 2019 page[edit]

Hi. Please be aware that (currently, as of my timestamp) the above article has three conflicting birth years being incorporated into it, all at the same time: November 7th in 1954, 1955 or 1957, according to whichever source/editor you might believe. This makes it a contentious matter when stating the age of the deceased in his subject line in our list - there have already been age 61 and age 64 insertions and reversions. I have posted to their talk page to alert them of this ridiculous state of affairs, and until something is resolved over there regarding birth year/age, I would urge editors to desist from an edit war here over the exact age of the person listed. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 12:08, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My removal of a completely unnecessary (and differing) third mention of his birthdate seems to have optimised that aspect in the article now. Ref ^(chew)(do) 16:57, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Got some useful input at their Talk page now which supports the "new" age of 63 as posted in the Deaths list. Ref ^(chew)(do) 19:08, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't, apparently. Article NOW broadly supports age of 61, with previous inconsistency re-introduced. Knock-on effect likely here. Ref ^(chew)(do) 07:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing on King Kong Bundy, as it is a pseudonym, should he not be sorted under K instead of B? --Marbe166 (talk) 18:15, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Name still functions like a regular name, with Bundy as the last name. Rusted AutoParts 18:27, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fed up with the whole caboodle, so if you like, yeah! Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:16, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

61 or 63 works for me, and yeah, Bundy is a surname, even fictionally. On that note, I've added his Married...with Children credit. It's arguably minor, if just looking at screentime, but as the inspiration for the Bundy family, he carries a lot more weight than the occasional centerfold or football player who dropped by. Thankfully, we needn't worry (here) about the various reports on how much weight he carried to the ring (458 and 485 are close enough, probably). InedibleHulk (talk) 16:12, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Footnote: The "Bundy" surname was used in "Married...with Children" because of its links to serial killer Ted Bundy, not King Kong Bundy!) Ref ^(chew)(do) 12:29, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bizarre Death[edit]

Although he was a billionaire executive, this death doesnt really apply to our page. However I know several of you are connected with project Death and may want to add it over there at the bizarre death page. Ehud Arye Laniado, 65, a Belgian diamond executive and head of Omega Diamonds died in Paris on Saturday during penis enhancement surgery. He apparently suffered a fatal heart attack during the early parts of the process when anesthesia was applied to his, um- genital area [1]. Certainly one way to go.Sunnydoo (talk) 18:45, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a cock and bull story to me ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It just goes to prove the old adage that diamonds are definitely a GIRL'S best friend! 203.196.41.161 (talk) 21:10, 7 March 2019 (UTC) Editrite![reply]

Here we go again with WP:NOTINHERITED[edit]

I'll say again that people inclined to make a big fuss about it still have to excuse Patrick Bouvier Kennedy having an article. What short-lived baby of non-notable parents has one? LE (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because the infant of the then in office President of the United States who then tragically died has a bit more notability than the daughter of a boxer who just didn't have the same notability. Rusted AutoParts 18:31, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How does this relate to anything currently happening in Deaths in 2019, or did I miss something somewhere? Surely this topic belongs on the relevant talk page or at an AfD? Ref ^(chew)(do) 20:09, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Entries or mentions of kinship in entries in this article are being deleted on the grounds of a policy which if applied consistently would have that article deleted.LE (talk)

Editors here tend to use WP:NOTINHERITED for expediency (myself included). However, that links to a Wikipedia essay which is not the same as a guideline or policy. A better link is WP:INVALIDBIO, which includes "That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A)". That would seem to be the reason for excluding the recent death of Julia Ruth Stevens from this page: she was the last surviving daughter of Babe Ruth but not notable herself. WWGB (talk) 00:55, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with removing Freeda Foreman, if that is what this discussion is about. Her article was already deleted by AFD in the past, and all the coverage of her death is intrinsically tied to George. Nohomersryan (talk) 01:04, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see now. I did notice the Freeda Foreman entry, and thought it might be an inherited issue, even though the source said something like "and a boxer in her own right", which might have qualified her. Her 1½ year record in that sport stood 5-1, as evidenced here - others can judge on the notability of that, or otherwise. Ref ^(chew)(do) 08:30, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Iman Fadil's death[edit]

Does the Moroccan model Iman Fadil's mysterious death on March 1 qualify as a notable death? Although also notable by association, (she was a witness in Silvio Berlusconi's sex trial some years ago), the actual cause of death which is reported to be radioactive poisoning, is very rare. 203.196.41.161 (talk) 22:04, 17 March 2019 (UTC) Editrite![reply]

The bottom line is, would the subject possibly qualify for their own Wikipedia article at some point, thus outliving the 30 days' grace usually given for one to be created? If it's pretty certain that they wouldn't get their own article (and you more or less admit that she wouldn't in your question), then there is little point in even including in the Deaths page someone who has generated headlines and article space merely for her association with Berlusconi. Ref ^(chew)(do) 23:34, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Senior[edit]

@CAWylie: I prefixed "senior" to "judge" for Robert W. Sweet (because he was, according to the article) and was reverted with the summary Wasn't a "senior" in 1981. Abbrv. I don't understand why 1981 (which isn't mentioned in the article) is relevant, nor why "senior" is wrong. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"1981" was a typo; it should've been "1978", which is when he was appointed as a district judge. By merely adding "senior", it seemingly strikes his bench work from 1978 to 1991. I've also seen some judgeship spans end at seniorship here, which isn't the case with Sweet (pun intended). — Wylie pedia @ 10:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I added it was because, upon seeing his age, I said "Self, he was an active judge at that age? Amazing.", and then looked it up. I think "senior" is necessary to clarify current role, as would be "former President" or, better, "President (yyyy-yyyy)". If the third field is to be the non-specific "American judge" (i.e. the duplication is OK), it seems that "senior" belongs as a prefix to the fourth field ("U.S. District Judge for..."). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think its current state is suitable, since he was active on the bench "since 1978". The only distinction in regards to his senior years is that his article highlights those as "notable". — Wylie pedia @ 11:24, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are important distinctions in the lead of senior status, which address the question I posed. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:57, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Senior judge versus judge, that is the question. His status as a senior judge when he died, (this being the Deaths page) is very relevant. In addition, he ceased to be a non senior judge in 1991, which means that info is 28 YEARS OUT OF DATE. He was also a District Court judge for 13 years compared to 28 years as a senior judge, which is more than twice as long. In other words, he served over two thirds of his career in the District Court as a senior judge. By specifying "since 1978", that implies he never achieved senior status. Clearly, senior judge takes precedence over his previous status. I rest my case. Editrite! (talk) 21:48, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Master Fatman[edit]

Hi. I realize we don't judge or editorialize, but is there any way that the very offensively named credit for Master Fatman entry not be used here? BurienBomber (talk) 22:27, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. Per WP:CENSOR, that cannot happen, unfortunately. (I too am uncomfortable with it, but that does not give me carte blanche to remove or replace under the present guidelines.) Ref ^(chew)(do) 22:36, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What if Master Fatman's notability/description was changed to reality show contestant, and he was credited with Vild med dans? Currently Janice Freeman is noted for her appearance on The Voice (U.S. season 13), and redirects to the same. Vycl1994 (talk) 23:43, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But that's not what he was notable for! That would purely be a device for censorship, and I would urge you not to violate guidelines by trying such things. Ref ^(chew)(do) 00:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lighten up guys, he was a COMEDIAN, among other things! Editrite! (talk) 22:00, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Technical stuff, basically. We edit rite or should quit doing this if not. Sorry to disagree. Ref ^(chew)(do) 22:07, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In case there's any doubt, my previous observation relates to the sentiments expressed in the first two comments only, excluding the censorship part. Editrite! (talk) 21:44, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref ^(chew)(do) 22:18, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ferd Lahure[edit]

Desperately in search of an online source which confirms the addition of the above Luxembourgian footballer on March 23, as we are being told in a text reference that there was a death announcement in the Luxemburger Wort printed newspaper on March 27, 2019, (page 61). Very difficult for anyone who cannot access a copy to verify for themselves. I have not removed the slimly referenced entry. Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:39, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The only clue that I can give you is that it appears his surname can be spelt two ways i.e. Lahure or Lahur. Editrite! (talk) 21:33, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - always useful to try searching similars, but nothing so far. Ref ^(chew)(do) 03:27, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another clue - his full birth name is Fernand Lahure, according to other sources. Ref ^(chew)(do) 03:48, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's this, which I have used, unless anyone is unhappy with the reliability, in which case revert. Ref ^(chew)(do) 17:50, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted to restore the print source, per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 121#Transfermarkt. Vycl1994 (talk) 18:09, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha - was unaware of that WP issue. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:33, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved. Ref ^(chew)(do) 20:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]