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Primary and Secondary Schools

I come from the Faroe Islands and know about the Faroese school system, but I am a not sure if this article describes it well enough. The school system is quite similar to the Danish school system. The public school is from 1st to 9th or 10th degree. It is free of charge and gives access to the secondary school, but here is where my doubt is. In this article the 8th and 9th degree of Fólkaskúlin (public school) is called secondary school. But is that correct? Nearly all children get at least 9 years of primary school now, in older days like 50 years ago or so, it was normal to leave school after 7 years, but nearly nobody does that anymore. We have various kinds of youth schools for after the 9 or 10 years of Fólkaskúlin and they are also free of charge. This article: Secondary education in Denmark describes it quite well, even if it does not mention the Faroe Islands. These schools which I would call secondary schools in the Faroe Islands can be the gymnasium (Studentaskúlin) which is 3 years, there are three of these schools, located in Tórshavn, Eysturoy (Kambsdalur) and Suðuroy, Higher Preparatory Examination (HF) which is two years, Føroya Handilsskúli (Faroese Business School) which is 1-3 years. There is also a Health School which provides two types of health educations, and in order to get access to this school the pupils must have the 9th grade from the Fólkaskúli. I will try to improve the article according to this. --EileenSanda (talk) 14:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

@EileenSanda: Thanks for your edits Eileen. According to the text you added Folkaskulin offers both primary (first seven years) and (lower) secondary education. That's what the Ministry of Education also says. I guess that should be under the Secondary Education section. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 23:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
I renamed those two sections to correspond with their content. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 23:41, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Ok, thanks, yes, I find it a bit confusing what is primary and what is secondary school. --EileenSanda (talk) 12:08, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
This website Norden.org places Vinnuháskúlin under Higher education, while they place Sjónám in Klaksvík under "Erhvervsskoler" (Business schools/vocational schools). Heilsuskúlin (The Health School) is here also placed under "Erhvervsskoler". --EileenSanda (talk) 13:34, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Vinnuháskúlin is placed under higher education by the Ministry of Education too. On the other hand I can't understand how any educational institute could be a part of tertiary education when it does't require completion of secondary education for admission. There's some ambiguity here I think. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 16:26, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
But it does require completion of upper secondary school as I see it, either 3 years of "Studentaskúli" (Danish: Gymnasium) or 2 years of SIT along with one year of practical training, or (and here you may by right) a 4 year "handverkari" practical education like mechanic, which is mainly a practical education but also includes a number of weeks of school (tekniski skúlin). Here is a list of "yrkisútbúgving" trade-educations (I can't find an English word for "yrkisútbúgving"). The "machinist" education however does not require upper secondary school and is not a higher education, it takes only 9 months. I think that the long educations on Vinnuskúlin and Sjónám are considered as higher education, even if the students not nessasarily have taken the 3 years of "student", they have other qualifications. And the tecnical part is very important in these educations. It is not so important if they know a lot about literature or history, but physics and math are much more important. Skippers (captains) and chief engineers are known to be very good, they find work easily and sail on board large vessels of various kinds all around the world, both fishing vessels and merchant vessels. Jyllands-Posten writes here that every third Mærsk-vessel is steered by a Faroese person (I can only see the headline). The former prime minister of the Faroe Islands, Kaj Leo Johannesen, writes here in 2012 a letter of condolance to A. P. Møller Foundation after the death of Mærsk Mc-Kinney Møller about the great role the A.P.Møller shipping company has played for the Faroe Islands as a see farer nation. Edmund Joensen (former prime minister) also talks about the great importance A.P. Møller has played for the Faroe Islands an mentions that thousands of Faroese men have been sailing for the company. --EileenSanda (talk) 17:58, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Training in these schools could be great, and Faroese seamen could be great in their job too, but this doesn't make the aforementioned institutions as tertiary (higher) education institutions. Every definition for higher education says that it's the education which follows the completion of secondary education (e.g. here, here). It could stay in a separate section (Maritime education) as it is now. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 19:41, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Yes, let's just leave it there. The Danish "maskinmester" education is a BA according to the Danish law - the English term is Bachelor of Technology Management and Marine Engineering, short: BTecMan & MarEng. The Faroese law does not say anything about BA or ECTS. --EileenSanda (talk) 22:42, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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