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On 24 September 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from George Yeoman Pocock to George Yeomans Pocock. The result of the discussion was moved.

Middle name of subject

As the original author of the article I wish to thank Unknowntouncertain and others who have repeatedly changed the middle name of Mr. Pocock from "Yeomans" to "Yeoman." Most of the popular literature refers to his middle name in the singular. However, as his grandson-in-law, I can attest that his middle name is actually "Yeomans." (We have a copy of his birth certificate.) This fact is also mentioned in a youtube video "Jim Pocock Presents: The Boys in the Boat... The Rest of the Story." (Jim Pocock his great grand nephew)

If this video were to be referenced in changing the name of the article despite the preponderance of conflicting references, would this be in accordance it Wikipedia standards? Kusskedp (talk) 02:55, 16 August 2017 (UTC)kusskedp[reply]

WP:SOURCES tells us to "Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." That YouTube video might not qualify as "third-party." Can you find other, more reliable sources that give his middle name as "Yeomans"? Phlar (talk) 11:52, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that his birth certificate says Yeomans. If this turns out to be correct, the first line of the article would need changing to Yeomans as well (they were different before). Unknowntouncertain (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, several wikipedians have changed the name within the article over the last couple years, and I kept changing it back but finally just left it as it seemed kind of futile since "Yeoman" is so prevalent in books, articles and literature. You were the first to actually change the name of the article. I sort of feel like maybe it would be best to change the article name to "George Y. Pocock" as I think people would keep changing it based on their reading of "The Boys in the Boat" and other references. The video I mentioned above is at ^[1]; the sound isn't really great so you have to turn it up, but Jim Pocock discusses this matter at about 12:30 into the video. Kusskedp (talk) 16:25, 19 August 2017 (UTC)kusskedp[reply]

If you do change it back to Yeomans, perhaps adding a short explanation regarding the spelling & a picture of the birth certificate would put the issue to rest. Simply using "Y." might be an invitation for editors to change it back to Yeoman. Unknowntouncertain (talk) 16:22, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here are a few other sources that use the "Yeomans" spelling. Only the last one focuses on the subject, the other two just mention him in passing: ptleader.com, murdocktrust.org, pocockfoundation.org Phlar (talk) 19:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6W2izN6rSI

Birth Certificate of George Yeomans Pocock

Kusskedp (talk) 07:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:COL463034_2020-1-GEORGE_YEOMANS_POCOCK.pdf[reply]

Birthplace of subject

A few years ago someone changed Pocock's birthplace to "Teddington" and I changed it back to "Kingston Upon Thames" as that is what is stated in the popular literature. I note that his birth certificate shows Teddington; I believe that was the family home at the time. However George's own memoirs state "I was born in Kingston, England..."

I have never been to the U.K. and am thus unaware of the local distinction between Kingston and Teddington. Can anyone shed light upon this question? Kusskedp (talk) 17:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as an uncontested request with minimal participation. If there is any objection within a reasonable time frame, please ask me to reopen the discussion; if I am not available, please ask at the technical requests page. (non-admin closure) Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 06:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

George Yeoman Pocock → George Yeomans Pocock – The subject's middle name was 'Yeomans' per the discussion 'Middle name of subject' and birth certificate, above. The page was moved[1] from 'George Yeomans Pocock' only recently, so this is a request to move it back. Phlar (talk) 21:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6W2izN6rSI

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