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I came to the Great Power page looking for the answer to this question. According to the World Wars section of this article, "It was first coined in 1944 by William T. R. Fox." But when I checked that footnote, I was only linked to a Wikipedia biography on Fox, which credited him for coining the term SUPERPOWER. Obviously the two terms are different, and I had assumed that the term "great power" wass much older (like, Westphalia of the COncert of Europe kind of era). Please confirm and fix the error.
I see a lot of discussion regarding the exclusion of Italy and inclusion of India. TBH, this entire thing is a big mess. So I came up with an idea. You see, the EU, has and is being listed by many scholars as a great power or a potential superpower. I know that the EU is not a country but it acts like that. And it is undoubtedly a force to reckon with. And if we add the EU then the debate over Italy will vanish as Italy is a part of EU. Germany and France too won't be seen in the table. The UK though.... I will talk about the UK later. Now time for India. 4th strongest military,6th largest economy, one of the fastest developing nations, a nuclear armed state,a member of G20, a space superpower and excellent food(this is subjective) . I think all this is enough to Show India's influence on the world stage. I still don't understand why "scholars" don't count India as a great power. I know India has issues like corruption,poor infrastructure and income inequality but it is rapidly coming out of that. So I think India's inclusion is a must. And some say Brazil should also be included and I think Brazil is a strong force since it is the Jupiter of South America. But whether it's a great power is up for discussion. And UK... umm... I leave it up to you guys. So in this way the modern great powers will be US, China, Russia, the EU, Japan and India (and maybe the UK and Brazil if you guys agree that they are also great powers). Plz send me feedback as to whether you like my suggestion or not. Thank you.!! Lieutenant Vasquez (talk) 07:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think the best course of action is to describe peculiarities of powers in the artilce in detail (as it is now; India, Italy, Brazil and EU are already included) and forget about the unfortunate table. At least until some consensus is reached. Pavlor (talk) 08:50, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well... if you have read the article which apparently stated clearly in the first sentence: "A great power is a sovereign state that is recognized as having the ability and expertise to exert its influence on a global scale." and the EU is merely an associated political union in certain geographic region, which is NOT a sovereign state. 123.192.182.76 (talk) 16:32, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think while the EU isn't a sovereign state it certainly exerts a great deal of influence within the world (e.g. the Brussels effect) and should at least be mentioned in the article as either a superpower or a potential superpower. Obviously the EU isn't a sovereign state but as a political union it's much more integrated than any other international trade/customs union and is really a sui generis entity that isn't really comparable to any other union. SwensonJ (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Concur with 123.192.182.76 that the definition is there for a reason. As long as we use GP to describe a subset of countries, you can't apply that label to the EU because it doesn't act like a country (and in IR theory this is well known - Waltz (1979) made this abundantly clear.
Moreover, related to the OP and SwensonJ, to say that the EU (or India or anyone else) is not a great power is not to say that they are irrelevant or anything else like that...the question of power (which is already abstract AF) is not the same as questions like importance, cultural influence, historical significance, or anything else.
Finally and specifically on India...I would classify them as a regional power, because their power has very little influence outside their region. That is not an insult...I would also bet folding money that India is the next country after China to become a superpower in this century, but 'superpower in waiting' is not a common category in IR, while 'great power' is. Defenestrator12 (talk) 14:52, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing the comments above I can see a certain agreement with the removal of the template, That's why I have removed from the page. I don't see other solution for Now. I Hope this can help, note that the template has been used only here.--LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 21:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Enough is enough. Well done! Pavlor (talk) 10:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why was the template removed? I was used to the great powers template being visible on this page 21:42, 26 July 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xaxi2 (talk • contribs)
Yes, there was a "broad" consensus to remove the template. The template was a never ending source of disruption to this article (edit-warring over inclusion of various pet powers) and was based mostly on cherry-picked sources and original research. The article is much better without it. Pavlor (talk) 05:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was: not merged. Theknowhowman (talk) 02:16, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - A superpower is not a great power. Per existing definitions, the classifications differ significantly. Not to mention, merging the three articles together will be a logistical nightmare and having all these similar sounding (but different in meaning and scope) terms in one article may confuse readers even more. Archives908 (talk) 17:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The definitions of great power and superpower are nearly verbatim in both articles, so I don't buy that the concepts are meaningfully distinct. Scholars overwhelmingly use the term "great power" and more commonly refer to "hegemons" (rather than superpower) to denote when one power is vastly dominant, so it makes sense to merge all content into Great power and Hegemony. As for the size problem, it's actually very easy to resolve. Most of the content in Superpower and Potential superpower is of exceedingly low quality, as it's poorly sourced (pop science books, non-peer reviewed papers and op-eds by pundits) and contains a lot of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. A lot of the content can be deleted and it would be of no loss to readers. In fact, it would probably be good for readers. It's probably sufficient to merge two or three paragraphs into Great power and Hegemony, and that's it. Thenightaway (talk) 19:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -A superpower is not a great power. If the definitions are to close, that is a failure of the Wikipedia articles. Great powers and superpowers are completely different terms, used at different parts of history. Powers in terms of international have multiple categories. The model that these terms describing incldues superpowers, great powers, middle powers, and smaller/lesser powers. These are extremely well documented in literature outside Wikipedia. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 00:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose content may overlap but they are both different topics — Karnatakatalk 21:20, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Great power is a 19th century term, while superpower is a Cold war era term. Wikisaurus (talk) 19:30, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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