Talk:Green Corn Rebellion

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Problems aplenty[edit]

Aside from the unnecessary and undesirable splitting of footnotes into two sections, fixed, reverted, and undone, this article has enormous factual and analytical problems.

1. The body count here implies 8 the way it was written. Another source says three. A piece I just posted up says 0. The number 8 is wrong, no matter how things are sliced. I am digging Burbank out, he has a full chapter on this affair, will rewrite in accord with his account.

2. This piece wrongly implies direction by the Socialist Party. The SP was critical of the affair and bore the brunt of the aftermath, but had nothing whatsoever to do with the enterprise.

CONSTRUCTION banner going up, please stand aside for a few hours. Carrite (talk) 21:10, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And fixed[edit]

Full rewrite finished, thanks for standing aside so that I could dodge edit conflicts.

The bit about the Green Corn Festival is absolutely undocumented in the serious literature, by which I mean Burbank, Sellars, and Weinstein, all of whom indicate that this was a WCU-led tenant farmers' movement, with its participants primarily young, poor, and white. Attempting to make this into something else strikes me as an Oliver Stonesque attempt at creation of a myth for political purposes. Not to say there isn't a source out there that doesn't try to do that, just that it is a minority view verging on the crackpot, unsupported by any documentary evidence. I would urge its exclusion; failing that, it should be consigned to the legacy section and kept to a length that is proportionate to the argument's place in the scholarly discourse, which is to say, negligible.

Sorry to come off sounding like a crabby asshole, but stuff like this really gets me going.

The only body count I found is THREE. I don't know who these people were, although with a bit of microfilm work, that could be determined. The number of 8 was way off; so, too, was Bertha White's claim of zero. Sellars has it as 3 and he's published more than anyone on the topic, so his number should reign unless high level scholarship comes down the pike that proves him wrong.

All the best,

tim //// Carrite (talk) 01:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The reference to Green Corn Festival is mentioned in published works, and you've deleted cited material that does not correspond to your POV. The best solution when different ideas are presented in literate is to include both with citations. That Seminoles, Muscogee Creeks, and African-Americans participated in this rebellion is absolutely documented. If you have any familiarity with Oklahoma history and ethnic demographics of the time period, you've hidden that fact well. People of color are perfectly capable of organizing rebellions against governments, as evidenced by the Crazy Snake Rebellion that took place 8 years prior two countries over and Green Peach War, 16 years earlier three counties to the east. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]