Talk:Halil İnalcık

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Constantinople until 1930[edit]

  • The final and official replacement of Constantinople by Istanbul did not take place until 1930., "Istanbul and the Civilization of the Ottoman Empire", by Bernard Lewis, p. x
  • The capital of the Ottoman Empire was originally called Constantinople.....and did not officially adopt the name Istanbul until 1930, "New Encyclopedia of Islam", by Cyril Glasse, p.229
  • ...Constantinople was not officially renamed until 1930..., "Daily Life in Ancient and Modern Istanbul", by Robert Bator, p.33
  • Istanbul was only adopted as the city's official name in 1930...., "Osman's Dream", by Caroline Finkel, p. 57
  • It held the name Constantinople until 1930...., by Dr. Robert Wahl, Foundations of the Faith 101, p.116 --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The evidence KansasBear brings does not prove that the Ottomans used the name Constantinople in official documents. If you look at the official archives of the Ottomans you would see that the capital city was mostly referred as Dersaadet. I talked about this under Andrew Mango entry discussion. Yes, Dersaadet was not an "international enough" name but the city's official name by the Ottomans was not Constantinople either. Furthermore by its people it was called Istanbul.

As Halil Inalcik says Istanbul is a name used before the conquest. The following is from an article named "ISTANBUL: AN ISLAMIC CITY" by the noted Turkish historian, Halil Inalcik.

[...As the Sephardic Studies page on the subject claims, "Recent research has shown that the name 'Istanbul' was used if not during the Byzantine period, at least during the 11th century and that the Turks knew the city by this name." The name of Istanbul existed for the Turks centuries before the city's conquest...]


The following is from the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1908:

[... Thus was granted the sacrilegious prayer of so many Greeks, blinded by unreasoning hate, that henceforth, not the tiara, but the turban should rule in the city of Constantine. Even the name of the city was changed. The Turks call it officially (in Arabic) Der-es-Saadet, Door of Happiness, or (chiefly on coins) Kostantinieh. Their usual name for it is Stamboul, or rather Istamboul, a corruption of the Greek expression eis ten polin (pronounced stimboli), perhaps under the influence of a form, Islamboul, which could pass for 'the city of Islam'.]

As one can see the usual name then was Istanbul and in the official Ottoman documents the city was mostly referred as Dersaadet.

Yes, the Western countries used Constantinople as much as they could; especially close to the Ottoman Empire's demise, which is understandable under the circumstances.

But claiming that Constantinople was the official name of the city by the Ottomans and by the Turkish Republic until 1930 is misleading.

Buyukresim (talk) 20:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


You can see my argument for the use of the name Istanbul on my talk page.

I should add that the text of the Wikipedia article on Inalcik is almost word for word taken from Inalcik's CV -- the major change being that his place of birth was changed from Istanbul to Constantinople. Why? DNYHCA (talk) 16:33, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Further question, footnote 2 in the article seems completely irrelevant to Mr. Inalcik's life. What does article 91 of the English translation of the Lausanne Treaty have to do with him?

(If you check the Turkish text of the treaty, you'll see that the city is referred to as Dersadet in article 91, but as Istanbul in article 93 (and in many other articles).)

DNYHCA (talk) 19:11, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Further discussion on the Istanbul vs. Constantinople question at the Halide Edip discussion page. Unfortunately, the editors in favor of Constantinople offer no real arguments. DNYHCA (talk) 19:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He died?[edit]

WOW, this article was sad to look at, have seen his name everywhere in Ottoman related books and journals. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 05:16, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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