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A fact from Harry Daley appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 April 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Harry Daley, who joined the Metropolitan Police in 1925, was the first openly gay British police officer?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 10:31, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Harry Daley, who joined the Metropolitan Police in 1925, was the first openly gay British police officer? "campaigners want Britain’s first openly gay policeman to be honoured after being told he was “not famous enough” for a historic blue plaque." from: France, Anthony (19 February 2021). "'Honour Met's first gay policeman with blue plaque,' say campaigners". London Evening Standard. Retrieved 12 April 2021.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Anthony Abrahams

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 13:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Y Article is long enough (8252 characters), new enough (moved to mainspace 12 April, nominated same day), and article is within policy
Y Hook is short enough, interesting, in the article and well cited
Y QPQ done
Overall, this nomination passes, congratulations. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:39, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Urve (talk · contribs) 11:52, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will take this up soon! :) Thanks, Urve (talk) 11:52, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overview

The article is in very solid shape. My comments are mostly picky and you are free to ignore them. Some of them are not going to be required by the GA criteria, but I thought I should mention them anyway.
My pickiness might be an issue of English variation. I speak and write US English, so maybe my comments are not relevant for this article. I don't know.
Can you take a look at File:E. M. Forster von Dora Carrington, 1924-25.jpg? Commons is asking for a reason for why it is public domain in the US, but I don't entirely understand how it is; the templates they provide don't seem to fit. I filled in parameters for why it's PD in the UK.

Well spotted. I think I've found the correct US PD tag - Dumelow (talk) 19:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Broadness, neutrality, stability are good.
Criterion 2 seems met: Verifiable, no OR, no copyvio from spot checks, RSs.

Early life

second youngest of five children -- this is no prob. fourth of five is also fine; your preference

Source uses "fourth of the five children" so I think I selected "second youngest..." to avoid close paraphrasing

His father Joseph Daley was -- commas around name?

Yes, I think so. Added - Dumelow (talk) 19:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Daley was educated at the local school from the age of three. Daley's father died at sea during a storm in 1911 and instead of going to secondary school Daley decided to help support his family by becoming a telegram boy -- do you know the date in 1911? The switch between Daley and his father seems disjointed... if we know the date, we could just continue the first sentence with "and at age 10, his father died...". Or alternatively, if we don't know or if you think it's better, the first clause of the second sentence could be altered to make Daley the subject: "Owing to his father's 1911 death at sea in a storm, Daley decided...". Let me know what you think? It ultimately doesn't really matter.

Yep, you're right. Storm was September 1911 so he was nine. I've reworded this and the following sentence and would welcome your thoughts - Dumelow (talk) 19:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

During the First World War his mother --> During the First World War, his mother

Added - Dumelow (talk) 19:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While living at Dorking Daley --> While living at Dorking, Daley

Added - Dumelow (talk) 19:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Police career

Hammersmith

We use "noted" a lot. What do you think about its use in light of MOS:SAID? Even if you think it is fine, and it may be, you may find that the flow is better if we vary the word choice and omit some of the "noted"s.

Yep, well spotted. I've switched them out; in most cases this is him stating his opinion - Dumelow (talk) 20:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything more to say about The Prisoners of War and its "homosexual theme"? It may not be worthy of inclusion or relevant, so I pass this to you. Maybe a footnote?

Yes, good idea. I've added a footnote that i hope covers the pertinent points - Dumelow (talk) 20:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Through Ackerley, Daley came into contact with a wider circle of writers and artists, including those of the Bloomsbury Group. A portrait of Daley was painted by Bloomsbury Group member Duncan Grant in 1930. -- this is personal preference, but we only learn the relevance of the preceding sentence at the end of the second one. I think it could be better to say something like, "including those of the Bloomsbury Group, whose member Duncan Grant had painted a portrait of him in 1930".

Agreed and changed - Dumelow (talk) 20:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Later career

In 1935 --> In 1935,

Done - Dumelow (talk) 20:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

who was then the literary editor of The Listener, these were refused --> "who was then the literary editor of The Listener; these were refused"

Done - Dumelow (talk) 20:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Later life and legacy

Daley destroyed all his other written records before his death; leaving an estate worth £803 --> Daley destroyed all his other written records before his death, leaving an estate worth £803

Done- Dumelow (talk) 20:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it would be helpful to explain what a blue plaque is?

Agreed, footnote added - Dumelow (talk) 20:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Brilliant

All I have for now. Feel free to strike or push back on anything I am saying. Urve (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review Urve and your suggestions which I found really helpful. I've commented above - Dumelow (talk) 20:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a beautiful, well-written article, about an important topic. After checking the good article criteria, I am convinced that it meets every one. Congratulations on this - I will be promoting it soon.

NB: You may consider adding the LGBT studies WikiProject on the talk page. Urve (talk) 20:48, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]