Talk:History of Aston Villa F.C. (1961–present)

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GA review[edit]

All of the comments provided by The Rambling Man have been moved to the subpage, Talk:History of Aston Villa F.C. (1961–present)/GA review. Regards. Woody (talk) 17:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FAC comments[edit]

Partial review, to the rebuilding section, more to follow. Prose is the main issue.

Within two years, pressure from supporters had led to the resignation of the board and relegation to the Third Division Pressure from the supporters led to relegation?
Not sure if champions should be capitalised.
For the rest of the nineties though, the club went through three different managers could do with rewording, makes it sound like the club were Brian Little's breakfast.
They reached the FA Cup Final in 2000 for the first time since 1957. Wrong way around, as the 2000 final happened only once. They reached the final for the first time since 1957 in 2000.
rapturous reception While often used in the media, "rapturous" is probably a poor term, as strictly speaking it refers to the descent of saints from heaven.
There are several instances of passive phrasing such as "was to be". The simple past tense of "was" reads better.
attendances rose from a low of just over 12,000 against Charlton in December to peak at more than 50,000 in their last home game of the season against Birmingham City. Slightly misleading, surely a derby would always attract a big crowd irrespective of form?
The club's first season of European football was short-lived though as they were beaten 5–1 by Antwerp. Was this in the first round?
The 1976–77 season also saw a League Cup win with Villa beating Everton 3–2 on aggregate. Comes across as an afterthought, tacked on the the end of the sentence. Surely a trophy win deserves more attention than a fourth place and an FA Cup quarter final? Also, wasn't the final a single tie (albeit replayed)? How can the win have been on aggregate?
There are a few run-on sentences e.g. Docherty helped rebuild confidence in the team and Villa went on to win five consecutive games to retain their place in the Second Division. Oldelpaso (talk) 20:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A couple more:

I don't think the Lerner image should be in the lead, he has only been associated with the club for a short period of time.
Several supporters groups had been urging Ellis to resign for over a year Campaigns opposing Ellis had been going on for a very long time. Perhaps some wording to indicate that this was an increase in their intensity would be in order.
Details of a loan signing and a change of kit manufacturer seem minor details, given some of the other things to have happened in the last 47 years which aren't included. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Removed Nike and loan bit, switched the European Image with the Lerner image. Woody (talk) 23:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done the Ellis bit thanks. Woody (talk) 23:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Balaban[edit]

For some reason the signing of Bosko Balaban had been 'credited' to Graham Taylor in this article. If anyone can find a sensible place to talk about Balaban, please feel free; for now I have simply removed the reference. Smurfmeister (talk) 10:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, fair. This article makes it clear that Gregory signed him. Good spot. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake?[edit]

The text says Villa were relegated for the third time in 1967 - yet the graph only shows one prior relegation, in the 1930s. Is one wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.16.171 (talk) 14:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking about File:Aston Villa FC League Performance 1889-2008.PNG? I can see Villa's fall into the thrid division on the graph? Is this not showing correctly for you? Woody (talk) 15:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We're not talking about the drop to div 3. The text says "The problems started when the club was relegated from the first tier of English football for the third time, under manager Dick Taylor in 1967... The club was then relegated to the Third Division."

If 1967 was the third time, and the fall to div 3 was later (which it was - 1970 I think), then either the graph is wrong for only showing one prior demotion, or the text is miselading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.230.100 (talk) 01:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Update[edit]

I've placed an {{update}} tag as the article doesn't mention any of the recent developments, be they O'Neill's departure or the saga of trying to find a replacement. While anything recent shouldn't be given undue weight (bear in mind the tendency for recentism) it certainly falls under this article's purview. Seegoon (talk) 16:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've written a couple of sentences to reflect the resignation, there isn't anything more to add until a new manager is signed and O'Neill expands on the reasons for his resignation. Does this satisfy you? Woody (talk) 17:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. Good stuff. Seegoon (talk) 23:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History wrong[edit]

The graph still shows Villa as league champs circa 1960. In fact we were relegated at that stage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.137.251 (talk) 09:09, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The creator of that graph is in the process of updating it, hopefully it will be fixed soon. Woody (talk) 17:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced info[edit]

There is unsourced information in the section "Lerner era". This should probably be fixed, but I cannot provide references, as I do not know much about the article's subject. Can some refs be added, or the content removed? Epicgenius (talk) 18:39, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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"Archived copy" as title[edit]

I have fixed one citation showing "Archived copy" as the title to show how it's done. I recommend that the rest of them be fixed prior to this article being TFA in late May. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:45, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I fully formatted all of the references that had the faulty titles. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:33, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]