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So as far as I'm aware the Vice President has no powers related to disaster response. The best they can do is act as a figure head so I think we should handle any quotes within that context. Ergzay (talk) 00:34, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify further, I think additional supporting material, such as including statements about their enumerated powers is relevant so as to give the reader an NPOV view of associated comments. The same goes for other people running for election like Donald Trump, but some readers may see the Vice President, because it's an actual governmental position as somehow having powers relevant to the crisis. That's why such additional supporting material may be appropriate. Ergzay (talk) 00:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Drdpw Given that you've removed my edit, could you further explain why? I'm not aware of any rule against tangential clarification. Also, don't delete talk page discussions just because you disagree with them. Ergzay (talk) 00:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should the two subarticles and certain sections be combined into a new subarticle?
Weak oppose While additional subarticles likely need to be made as the article size is over 8,000 bytes, I don’t think merging them all in is the answer (this is different from Katrina, where there were differences in how the articles were fleshed out.) In fact, I think this might result in the North Carolina information being undermined, and individual records were likely broken in other states too. This would likely both strip down the main article and result in a really long sub article. There’s a reason a sub article for Appalachia was never made. 134.6.104.54 (talk) 21:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Copying my oppose from the other discussion on this matter. Hurricane Helene is already large enough as it is (56k bytes prose) and the North Carolina article is going to be very much expandable to the point where nothing should be merged with it. It's already nearly 30k bytes of prose. We should leave things alone for now and focus on expanding the content as needed. Noah, BSBATalk00:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It should be kept but splitting off the other items as they currently are would be UNDUE and simply would serve to gut the Hurricane Helene article. Noah, BSBATalk10:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then could the Florida section be split or at least the Georgia article be merged or even both? There is more information on Florida's impacts then there are on Georgia's and I do not believe it is fair to keep a small subarticle and not split a larger subsection. Besides, Georgia was not the most impacted by the storm. ZZZ'S10:54, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Splitting out the Florida subsection but strong oppose on merging the Georgia article in seeing as this article is already nearly 9,000 words. 104.246.112.81 (talk) 21:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So you'd rather split the Florida subsection rather than merge the South Atlantic states except for North Carolina into one article and have no care for preventing subsection hierarchy? What the heck is wrong with Wikipedia? ZZZ'S21:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also adding that there were impacts outside of those states too. How would a 10k-byte summary of four states in the main article gut it? The article already exceeds 200k bytes and a split is due. ZZZ'S21:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article markup size is entirely irrelevant as splits are based on wordcount/prose size. If you remove almost every detail for those states as a real summary would require (about 1-3 paragraphs in total depending on that article's size), it would indeed gut this article. This article is currently at an appropriate size and thus nothing should be split or merged. If you want to flesh out those subsections first, do that and then propose a split. Until then, I will oppose any kind of split. Noah, BSBATalk21:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An article on a topic with more information will have a larger article as is natural. Large topic articles will generally be within 8,000-15,000 words. Noah, BSBATalk22:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"...researchers found that Helene had 10% more rain, had winds that were 13 miles per hour more intense, and drew energy from water that was 2.3 degrees Fahrenheit warmer due to climate change"
The article is currently 8,899 words and likely over 9,000 once words in tables are included. It’s at the point that my phone struggled to even load the page due to how long it was. As a result, I am proposing splitting off the Florida content, which has a lot of information for the preparations and impacts and is likely incomplete. Especially as this article is likely to grow in the aftermath, it is reasonable to consider trimming this down a bit. While Noah above explains that this is undue, I would like to disagree and say that the Florida section should be approximately in line with the South Carolina section, not the North Carolina one. SIZERULE recommends a split above 8,000 words and I don’t think this rises to a Katrina level storm where we keep it over 8,000. 74.101.118.218 (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article doesn’t even mention any rainfall impacts for Florida, which there isn’t a ton of info for but I found this and this. As a result, the Florida section is still incomplete. Once expanded it will be a lot longer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.118.218 (talk) 20:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral - Florida section is quite long. Technically, article should be split per SIZERULE. However, this is an important topic that may warrant a long article. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 15:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Courtesy ping: Hurricane Noah ZZZ'S 13:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
