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Correct me if I am wrong; but don’t we normally include the year in the title (eg: Tropical Storm Milton (2024))? Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, I'm pretty sure we normally do. SillyNerdo (talk) 18:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Except when it is the first time a name has been used, as in this instance. See, for example, this year's Hurricane Francine. Drdpw (talk) 18:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those only apply to storm names that are not notable enough to not have the year in their title or have only been used once. _ZZ^Z 'S 18:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which, I’m only speculating; and I know that we’re not a crystal ball; but if this hits Florida at the intensity it’s expected to hit; this will end up being the only “Hurricane Milton” that we see. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 21:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That, and its also doing a Hurricane Otis as well, explosive rapid intensification into (more than likely) a Category 5 hurricane.

So yeah, this will most likely be the only "Hurricane Milton" that will be named. Accordthemusician (talk) 13:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One major difference. They knew yesterday that the models were indicating possible category 5 intensity. That was 18+ hours ago. They didn’t know about Otis becoming a cat-5 until about six hours prior to landfall. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redraftify?

Could we redraftify the article until Milton actually does tangible damages so that I can beef up the article more. ✶Qux yz ✶ 20:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to it. Maybe wait until it passes the Yucatán and then republish. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 21:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which I mean; I checked the history, it says Hurricanehink was the one who published it; he probably has a reason for going ahead and publishing it, he’s been doing this for close to 20 years. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 21:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Though it is a developing and incomplete article for sure, I see no compelling reason to temporarily redraftify it. Serious preparations are currently underway in Florida, and the storm will most probably have serious impacts there in just a couple of days. We can build the article in main space just as well as in draft. Drdpw (talk) 01:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only real reason to draftify here would be on notability, which Milton has already established from all the preparations. The quality is just fine as it is and can only get better. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well I think given the fact that this is already a category 5; the notability issue is kinda a moot point anyway. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 19:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should we use "Exposively Intensify" instead of "Rapidly Intensify"

Good morning, fellow Wikipedians. I have a question regarding the lead of this article. Shouldn't we use "explosively intensifying system" instead of "rapidly intensifying system," given that the storm's wind speed increased by around 90 mph in just 24 hours? Yesterday at this time, it was 60 mph, and now it's at 150 mph. TheWxResearcher (talk) 14:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really know how to imagine an "explosive" intensification. After an explosion, there's usually only bits and pieces of something left. Drmies (talk) 14:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Explosive intensification is usually for tropical cyclones that quickly increase in strength (e.g. Hurricane Wilma). Ultimately, it depends on how quick the hurricane increased in strength. _ZZ^Z 'S 14:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Drmies I understand what you are getting at. I was just asking this question because on the Hurricane Otis article it says and I quote "Otis instead underwent explosive intensification to reach peak winds of 165 mph (270 km/h)". TheWxResearcher (talk) 14:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The latest forecast discussion convinces me that "explosive intensification" should be used instead. _ZZ^Z 'S 15:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The phrase "remarkable rapid intensification" is used in the 11:00 EDT discussion, not "explosive intensification"; why should we use a term that is not being used? Drdpw (talk) 15:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fun fact: I was the one who put “explosive intensification” on the Otis article around 6 months ago, given that some people use the term. JAFactsDude (talk) 16:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Explosive intensification is a sustained winds increase of at least 30-35 (no concretely agreed upon number) kts in 24 hours, and there is even less consensus on explosive intensification. Officially, no such term is used (with meaning) by the NHC, and I personally don't think either option is a definite best option, as the NHC has described Milton as "explosively intensifying," though this was more of a "this is really fast" than "this is an example of [meteorological term]". FISCHEA9 (talk) 05:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had a typo and idk how to edit responses here... The first sentence was supposed to be Rapid Intensification not explosive. FISCHEA9 (talk) 05:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have bold removed the "explosively intensifying". It just doesn't sound right. Sir MemeGod  16:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with @Drdpw on this. The NHC isn’t calling this “explosive” so one might consider this WP:OR or something crazy like that. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New public advisory uses "explosively intensifying" Wildfireupdateman (talk) 17:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Drdpw and @Hurricane Clyde Yes @Wildfireupdateman is correct the NHC explicitly says it's explosively intensifying in their lastest discussion now. TheWxResearcher (talk) 17:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then we should re-add it. Can you post a link to the discussion (go through the archives and click the latest one that way the link don’t update when the next discussion comes in) Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricane Clyde I think this is the archived link Hurricane Milton Public Advisory TheWxResearcher (talk) 17:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An advisory I wished I had never seen. 175 mph and 911 mb. It’s now only 10 mph short of Wilma’s and Dorian’s intensity; and the strongest Atlantic hurricane I know of since Dorian in 2019. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricane Clyde Yes we are witnessing history it is sad that is threatening landmasses. TheWxResearcher (talk) 19:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category 5 in 10 hours from Cat 1

Is this a new record for rapid intensification? 2605:8D80:324:29D1:2D01:49C6:D87D:6368 (talk) 15:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think so Accordthemusician (talk) 15:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not yet officially C5. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh. Now it is... However, wait until reliable sources cover this prior to inclusion. Tavantius (talk) 16:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well that was quick. Agree with above comment though. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 16:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any records must be verified before being added to the article. An NHC advisory from 2 hours ago confirmed it was the third quickest in the Atlantic basin behind Wilma and Felix; now that it's a category 5, we might see it reported at the next NHC bulletin or, failing that, third-party reporting. Something like this would be easily sensationalized if it's real so there shouldn't be a problem confirming or denying it after the dust settles. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:19, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As of 11:55AM EDT; Milton is now a category 5. But for future reference @Wildfireupdateman is right on this. This is WP:NOTAFORUM. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: This article from WVUE-TV, a Fox affiliate, states Milton now matches Wilma's record; however, I'd wait for better sources before adding this claim. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And plus; Wilma was stronger. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which AccuWeather would be reliable for something like this. So long as it isn’t a damage estimate or a forecast. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NHC website unavailable

The NHC website is currently unavailable. If it remains that way at 8:00pm EDT, how should we update the max winds? Tavantius (talk) 22:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

we don’t; we leave things as they are until the site is back up and running or the information is relayed by another reliable secondary source. Drdpw (talk) 22:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The NHC site is working fine for me. It doesn't shock me, though, that in a historic and deadly situation like this that intermittent service outages will occur. Whoever can get on of the editors on this page will edit it to reflect current information, and if not, there's no deadline and information can be added when it can be accessed by the greater public. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 22:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that same problem. 503 service unavailable. Probably too many people visiting the website. Same effect as a “denial of service” attack, only unintentional and likely not malicious. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 22:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some Damage done

Currently the hurricane is sitting over the Yucatán, however when it intensified into a category five hurricane in inflicted damage over northern Yucatán. This is not supported by any proof, but I predict that there is damage done. I’d say around 1 million or less so far. 2601:58A:8880:4A90:DD62:5768:A509:74A0 (talk) 22:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please avoid speculation on the talk page. If you have anything to contribute to the article, please add it with proper sources. Wikipedia is not a forum. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remember that Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, and you should not publish anything that cannot be backed up with a credible source. Mitsuba Sousuke :3 (talk) 22:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"This is not supported by any proof" and you have closed your own argument before it was finished. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 22:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s not a guess, It’s true, look at Milton over the area 2601:58A:8880:4A90:DD62:5768:A509:74A0 (talk) 22:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources, please. Ark Hyena (it/its) 22:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photo I added earlier that was removed

Howdy, I'm not too pressed if it stays in the article and I looked through the revision history, but there have been well over 50 edits since then and none reference removing an image. The image was placed in the preparations subsection for Florida and I took it at my local Walmart as an example of people buying up supplies ahead of Milton and I'm just curious if anyone thinks it is worthy of being re-added. Keep in mind that Avon Park is away from the coast, but it is covered by a hurricane warning. An identical photo from a Tampa Bay area Walmart would be more justifiable than this photo's inclusion. Thanks, and again I'm not pressed if its excluded, but it could be worthy of inclusion at least at this point.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Water_bottles_wiped_clean_at_Avon_Park_Walmart_ahead_of_Hurricane_Milton.jpg Raskuly (talk) 22:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Helene, Ian, and Idalia to see also?

Forgive me if these requests are too early, but might I suggest eventually adding Hurricane Helene, Hurricane Ian, and possibly Hurricane Idalia to see also?

Helene - Obvious choice for impacting the region that Milton is threatening less than two weeks before Milton
Ian - Also impacted similar region that Milton is threatening
Idalia - Also impacted similar region that Milton is threatening

Again, these requests are probably too early, but these might be good additions for the article in the coming days. Mitsuba Sousuke :3 (talk) 22:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that’s a great idea in my opinion. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 22:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But I do think it should wait until landfall. I think also adding Milton to the see also on those storms’ articles will be appropriate too; at least for Hurricane Ian anyway. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 22:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

too soon to say, as Milton is still active. I would say probably not Helene, as it is mentioned and linked-to within the article a couple times already. Drdpw (talk) 22:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe we should be adding storms with similar paths and/or intensities rather than intensity. _ZZ^Z 'S 23:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concur, systems that formed the Gulf and traversed the Florida peninsula W to E (presuming that is its course), and Cat4/5 Florida peninsula hurricanes. Drdpw (talk) 23:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should add Joaquin (2015). Reason : Joaquin and Milton both stalled in a certain place to achieve is peak intensity. 2601:58A:8880:4A90:DD62:5768:A509:74A0 (talk) 23:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I do not believe we should add hurricanes that did not make a similar path nor intensity. Joaquin did not peak as a Category 5, was not in the same body of water, had a completely different track, and affected different areas with different magnitudes. _ZZ^Z 'S 23:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don’t get it though, place DOES NOT matter, they both did similar behavior, which was that they stalled. 2601:58A:8880:4A90:DD62:5768:A509:74A0 (talk) 23:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Helene can be added as it is already mentioned in the prose. Idalia's definitely out of the way in my opinion.

See the following:

Hurricane Katrina (2005) - brought devastating surge to New Orleans, which we may see at Tampa
Hurricane Michael (2018) - made landfall at category 5 strength in Florida. Milton was the replacement for Michael in 2024.
Hurricane Ian (2022) - large hurricane making landfall in a similar area
Hurricane Charley (2004) - major hurricane making landfall in a similar area
Hurricane Wilma (2005) - strongest hurricane in the Atlantic basin

Just a few I think are similar enough to earn a See Also spot. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 23:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yeah i could see wilma on there since both of those are kind of similar imo. SillyNerdo (talk) 00:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’d say Rita and maybe Gilbert should also have a see also spot. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Especially if the Rita mention ends up getting removed. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Joaquin, Both storms have stalled 2601:58A:8880:4A90:211D:2D14:DC65:5287 (talk) 11:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So did Dorian and Harvey. Joaquin was weaker and made no threat to land. Besides, Milton didn't stall to intensify to anything beyond a tropical storm. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 11:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Joaquin - Stayed in a certain area for several hours/days just like Milton at Category 4 Strength 2601:58A:8880:4A90:211D:2D14:DC65:5287 (talk) 11:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Milton didn't stall at category 4 strength, though? GeorgeMemulous (talk) 11:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically yes and no. It started stalling when it became a category 3. 2601:58A:8880:4A90:211D:2D14:DC65:5287 (talk) 11:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read what I said. _ZZ^Z 'S 11:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I mean is that Joaquin did, not Milton. 2601:58A:8880:4A90:211D:2D14:DC65:5287 (talk) 11:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And Whoever pointed out Rita’s mentioning, I do agree because Rita is the hurricane with the lowest pressure in the gulf, right on top of Milton. According to Accuweather’s Source 2601:58A:8880:4A90:211D:2D14:DC65:5287 (talk) 11:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The barometric pressure has officially dropped below 899 Mbar as stated by NOAA Tornadosully (talk) 23:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No it has not. The latest update from 4 PM Central Time states Milton is still at 905. Mitsuba Sousuke :3 (talk) 23:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We will know in about 10 minutes. I or someone else can update it if it goes down. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok the NHC has just updated. See 8pm advisory (please don’t revert!). Down to 897. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moot now. @Tornadosully, in the future, please format your requests in a "I request 'example content example content' to be changed to 'example content addition example content', and here's why". This is the standard format for edit requests and is crystal clear as to what you want done. Also, some editors may ignore or close your request if it is improperly formatted. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to the hurricane cone forecast maps?

We used to show the NHC hurricane cone maps in our hurricane articles. These allow one to see the timing forcasts for when & where to expect the winds/precipitation of various levels. Like this for Milton now.

As it stands, the article is really short on info of when the hurricane makes landfall on the Florida coast. But the cone maps shows it is after 7pm ET on Friday, 11 October. Odd that is not in the article, or this cone map isn't. N2e (talk) 03:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=1229957783#Editors_removing_formatted_citations_for_bare_URL_citations and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_19#Tropical_cyclone_current_storm_templates for why cones and the warning table templates that you may have been familiar with in past years were binned. Boils down to a WP:MOS related edit/revert war earlier this year that spilled onto ANI, and "liability". ConCompS talk 03:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That is a super helpful reply. Hate to see Wikipedia go backwards, and have less good articles, but I get how our institutions (including Common Law and weird liability outcomes by juries against those centralized entities with capturable assets) have negatively reshaped other industries as well. N2e (talk) 04:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]