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This is a test message so that the talk page will be created. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also, I know you probably don’t need this since you were a relatively experienced IP editor, but welcome, and I’m glad you created an account! :D WxTrinity (talk to me!) 13:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lokicat3345

Just wanted to let you know that you shouldn't comment on SPIs after they are closed, as you did there. Also, IP addresses are never blocked indefinitely because they often change to a new location after some time, and administrators would like to prevent blocking any innocent potential editors from wherever the IP's location gets switched to. The IP address was left unblocked because it hasn't edited for some time, likely meaning that the user who obtained that IP address then is likely no longer the same user now (although there are some rare cases, e.g. this banned user, who remain on the same IP address for several months or even years at a time, which can be identified through seeing the same editing patterns and topics/articles being edited over the course of long, often intermittent, periods of time). Just wanted to give you some insight on this. ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 20:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m sorry. I don’t know. Thanks for letting me know. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 20:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, and you're welcome. ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 20:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Alabama in United States Solar Eclipse

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_solar_eclipses_visible_from_the_United_States&oldid=prev&diff=1231516453

Ohh my bad! I thought that chart was for the entire USA :D Didn't notice that it's for Alabama. Yeah neither crossed the path in Alabama. Ottwiz (talk) 18:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of deadly tornadoes

Hey there, I see you're working on a list of deadly tornadoes. Just throwing it out there, but I think it might be more useful setting up various state lists, and adding the deadly events to those lists, like List of Alabama tornadoes. I can help you set up new ones, like List of Mississippi tornadoes. I just wanted to reach out, since it seems like you are an ambitious editor/writer. I've been editing Wikipedia for a while, so I like reaching out to people if I haven't yet interacted. I hope you're figuring out things OK on here! :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You’ve got the wrong person. I merely added one entry to @WeatherWriter’s list because it didn’t include March 2, 2012 (which caused massive damage across parts of Kentucky and killed quite a few people.) So with all due respect, I wouldn’t call that ambitious. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main ”ambitious” thing that I’m working on is a draft list of PDS watches (which you are welcome to help with too, need all the help we can get.) But that list is actually in draft space and is being edited by about a half dozen other people. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But any additional help with that list is certainly welcome. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because there are only four people (including myself) that are really actively involved in editing that list at the moment. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink, now I understand why you left me a message on here. I just noticed the talk page entry on WP:WEATHER. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 19:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there, I'm glad you might be interested in working on the List of West Virginia tornadoes! As you noticed, there aren't that many. When I did List of California tornadoes, I got a little bit overwhelmed by there being over 400 of them, but over time, I eventually got them all. The hardest part is going to be getting good sources for the older events, but there should still be some reports to fill in the gaps. If you start with deadly and strong events (over F/EF2) then it will be even less. And if that's still overwhelming, maybe start at like 2000 and go forward, to at least get the events this century. And then work your way backwards. It takes a lot to get the article to be a featured list, but not so much work that it's impossible. It just requires good sourcing, good writing, and hopefully a few images. Those events in 1944 (the two F4's) of course need a mention in the lead, but see if any other events stand out like that. For instance, deadly events appear to be pretty rare, just one in 2010, one in 1982, and one in 1974, although if you notice, neither of the last two event reports describe the death, so you'll need to find other sources. It's a lot, but hopefully it's not too much to attempt to do! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I always start with the most recent events and go back. (Ex. I start with tornadoes that happened in 2024, 2023, 2022, etc.) West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That works. I'm assuming you know about NCDC storm events? For older events (Before 1993), you also have storm data, which is a series of monthly reports going back to 1959. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do know about that. NCDC goes back to 1950 I think. So it doesn’t cover the really old tornadoes, but to be honest, it covers enough. Who’s going to care about an F1 tornado from for example 1909? I’ll tell you who: no one. Unless it was the first one on record; it hit the state capitol building or some other important building/structure; or the tornado did a massive amount of damage and/or killed a bunch of people; unless one of those three things are met, theres a good chance that no one (except maybe someone who’s more than about 85 years old who was hit by one of those twisters) is going to care if a tornado from prior to 1950 is not mentioned or barely mentioned. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 05:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. And honestly, the most important part is the climatology, and recent history (2000-present). Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 17:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya, just checking how you're doing with Draft:List of West Virginia tornadoes? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have been taking a bit of a semi-wikibreak (but I am still editing and I haven’t forgotten about that list). As you can see with the edit summary, I did send Citation Bot out to fix my formatting errors. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 01:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hope all is well then! I understand the need for a break now and then. I'm in the opposite phase now, feeling more invigorated to edit than in a long while. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve also got that list largely complete back to 2010. Will probably look at adding additional entries either tonight or tomorrow if I can remember to. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 16:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! I've talked about it with other users, and I think as long as each list goes back to 2000 (or contains most of the notable ones), that's good enough for publishing. That's a good first step toward getting every area covered. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correction, I looked and apparently it’s only complete back to 2015, notable ones with good coverage go back to 2010. I hadn’t looked at it really closely when I posted my initial comment. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 01:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve struck out my initial comment because of the somewhat erroneous statement. Although I still plan to keep filling in the list. I plan to go back to around 2000 for all tornadoes, but continue to list notable events (eg. events with multiple tornadoes, tornadoes rated F2 or higher, or tornadoes occurring in an unusual time of day or year such as in the middle of winter or in the middle of the night) beyond that. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 01:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It also has a couple of holes in 2024 just because Storm Data doesn’t include anything that occurred less than three months ago, the current cutoff in data is March 31. I’ll see if I can hunt down any public information statements from the Charleston and Pittsburgh NWS offices to fill in the holes. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 01:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I just published the list. There may be a couple holes in terms of recent (within the last three months) tornadoes that have not yet been put on NCDC. And there are still quite a few gaps prior to 2000; but every tornado that we know of between 2000 and June of 2024 is listed. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 22:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Beryl

So because I was the first one to publish the draft for Beryl, I didn't want to be the one to close the move discussion, since I knew it was already nearing SNOW territory. Looks like I wasn't needed! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of F5 and EF5 tornadoes Improvement Time!

Hello there! I am sending this alert to all members of the WikiProject Weather and editors who have recently edited in the realm of tornadoes.

There is a large and important discussion ongoing, with the goal to completely overhaul and improve the List of F5 and EF5 tornadoes. The previous improvement attempt back in 2022/2023 gained almost no participation. This alert is being sent out so these discussions hopefully gain a reasonably-sized participation, so the F5/EF5 tornado article, one of the most viewed weather-related articles on Wikipedia, can be improved for all readers!

If you wish to participate, please visit: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornadoes. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:15, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WeatherWriter, I am already in the process of doing that. Thank you for the reminder though. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 16:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alert: PD-NWS Violations

This is an alert being sent to all active editors on the WikiProject of Weather and any editor who has recently editors weather-related articles.

Editors on the Commons have received communication from the National Weather Service that the Template:PD-NWS, which is often used to upload weather-related images, is incorrect. There will be a discussion starting on the Commons Copyright Noticeboard within the next few days to determine how to manage this issue. Under the current PD-NWS copyright template, images on any NWS webpage was considered to be in the public domain unless it had a direct copyright symbol and/or copyright watermark.

One National Weather Service office has confirmed this is not the case. For the next few days, it may be best to not upload any image from an NWS webpage that was not made or taken directly by the National Weather Service themselves. Once the Commons determine how to move forward, editors will recent a new alert. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So does that mean I’m being accused of a copyright violation? West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 23:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only NWS images I used on Commons or on here were images that were created or taken by the NWS or someone actually acting in their official duties (like from the survey teams); but I do get the point. I (as you know) were heavily involved in the discussion. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 23:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Thank you so much for being willing to help (or at least add a tiny bit) to Draft:List of Illinois tornadoes, you are legitimately the only editor that has been involved (I've asked 2 complete wikiprojects and at least one user) in this soul-draining and extremely tedious list. Thanks again! (Also congrats on 1,000 edits, it still feels like yesterday when you were an IP haha) Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 01:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You’re welcome. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 17:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PD-NWS Violations Update #1

I am providing members of the WikiProject of Weather along with users who frequently edit weather-related articles an update to the discussions regarding the PD-NWS image copyright template.

For starters, no "formal" administrative-style rules have occurred. All that means is the template is not formally deprecated and is still in use. However, Rlandmann, an administrator on English Wikipedia, has begun an undertaking of reviewing and assessing all images (~1,400) that use the PD-NWS copyright template.

What we know:

Following email communications, the National Weather Service of Sioux Falls has removed their disclaimer, which has been used for the PD-NWS template for decades. This means, as far as the National Weather Service is concerned, the following statement is no longer valid: By submitting images, you understand that your image is being released into the public domain. This means that your photo or video may be downloaded, copied, and used by others. Currently, the PD-NWS template links to an archived version of the disclaimer. However, the live version of the disclaimer no longer contains that phrase.
See this deletion discussion for this point's information. NWS Paducah (1) failed to give attribution to a photographer of a tornado photograph, (2) placed the photo into the public domain without the photographer explicitly giving them permission to do so (i.e. the photo is not actually in the public domain), (3) and told users to acknowledge NWS as the source for information on the webpage. Oh, to note, this photographer is a magistrate (i.e. a judge). So, the idea of automatically trusting images without clear attribution on weather.gov are free-to-use is in question.
The Wikimedia Commons has a process known as precautionary principle, where if their is significant doubt that an image is free-to-use, it will be deleted. Note, one PD-NWS file has been deleted under the precautionary principle. The closing administrator remarks for the deletion discussion were: "Per the precautionary principle, there is "significant doubt" about the public domain status of this file (4x keep + nominator, 5x delete), so I will delete it."
Several photographs/images using the PD-NWS are currently mid-deletion discussion, all for various reasonings.
As of this message, 250 PD-NWS images have been checked out of the ~1,400.
The photograph of the 1974 Xenia tornado (File:Xenia tornado.jpg) was found to not be in the public domain. It is still free-to-use, but under a CC 2.0 license, which requires attribution. From April 2009 to August 2024, Wikipedia/Wikimedia was incorrectly (and by definition, illegally) using the photograph, as it was marked incorrectly as a public domain photograph.

Solutions:
As stated earlier, there is no "formal" rulings, so no "formal" changes have been made. However, there is a general consensus between editors on things which are safe to do:

Images made directly by NWS employees can be uploaded and used under the new PD-USGov-NWS-employee template (Usage: {{PD-USGov-NWS-employee}} ). This is what a large number of PD-NWS templated images are being switched to.
Images from the NOAA Damage Assessment Toolkit (DAT) can be uploaded and used under the PD-DAT template (Usage: {{PD-DAT}} ). A large number of images are also being switched to this template.

For now, you are still welcome to upload images under the PD-NWS template. However, if possible it is recommended using the two templates above. I will send out another update when new information is found or new "rulings" have been made. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archive problems

I am restoring my archive because since my username change; the archives haven’t linked. I’m going to let ClueBot re-archive it. Might take a couple weeks but I’m going to have to do that. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 17:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 2024

Thank you for your contributions. It seems that you may have added public domain content to one or more Wikipedia articles, such as 2022 Appalachian floods. You are welcome to import appropriate public domain content to articles, but in order to meet the Wikipedia guideline on plagiarism, such content must be fully attributed. This requires not only acknowledging the source, but acknowledging that the source is copied. There are several methods to do this described at Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Public-domain sources, including the usage of an attribution template. Please make sure that any public domain content you have already imported is fully attributed. Thank you. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 21:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I knew I had to attribute public domain content; but I didn’t know how to. Thank you for giving me the link to the template. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 21:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also in the future, try writing stuff in your own words, instead of copying. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well I’m not very good at writing that kind of stuff in my own words, that’s why I waited so long to actually start drafting that article. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 21:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is also why I generally prefer to create lists and redirects rather than actual articles. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 21:44, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But I did rephrase some of the text pertaining to the meteorological history. Like I said before, I’m not very good at writing articles from scratch. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 21:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Great job on 2022 Appalachian floods! Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 21:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]