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Hyderabad is in Telangana and Telangana state is administering the city

Why my change was reverted? @Omer123hussain : You removed following sentences "Telangana is geographically in the middle of Telangana. Hyderabad is largest city in Telangana. Telangana state is responsible for the administration of Hyderabad."; "The law and order in hyderabad city is supervised by Police Commissioner who is appointed by Chief minister of Telangana. Though AP reorganization bill talks about special powers to the governor of Telangana in Hyderabad, Telangana govt opposed to such powers and Center yet to give guidelines regarding the matter"

Tell me which sentence is wrong? Tell me which sentence does not have references? Please explain your revert. Ramcrk (talk) 22:49, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

As per your above sentence Telangana is geographically in the middle of Telangana. I dont understand what you mean by that!!
Why do you want this all in the lead it will mess again. Lead is an summary of an article. Any way if you want to give all details specifically about administration you can use linking article Administration of Hyderabad, rather than overloading the existing details.
Currently governor holds the main power of law and order in Hyderabad GHMC area, so "The law and order in hyderabad city is supervised by the governor of Telangana" is more enough to know the readers, fore more details the linking article can be reffered. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 00:05, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Only Indian city which is common capital is Chandigarh. Unlike Chandigarh, Hyderabad is not at the border of AP and Telangana; unlike Chandigarh, Hyderabad is not UT but its part of Telangana. We need to mention these facts in lead. Otherwise we are trying to confuse readers. Why even both talking about common capital if you dont want to mention what common capital means. I believe some facts are not presented to mislead readers.
As of now there are no guidelines regarding Governors supervisory role. See the link. Center is still discussing with Telangana and Andhra regarding this. So far Governor is acting like any other governor of any other state. Show me one article where he "used" his power that came with this so called supervisory role?Ramcrk (talk) 01:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
1, 2 and 3. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:35, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Those links you provided(from few months old news) is plans of central govt. But Telangana govt opposed it and none of those plans are operationalized. See the link from last week. It says Andhra Pradesh and Telangana continued with their sparring with the former on Friday urging the Centre to 'operationalise' Section 8 of the AP Reorganization Act that gives special powers to the governor in the joint capital region and the latter insisting that it has already submitted its objections on the same. After hearing both the sides, Union home secretary Anil Goswami said the matter will be referred to the law ministry for advice. This link from August says .. Telangana Chief Secretary Rajeev Sharma had already replied to the Ministry of Home Affairs expressing the unwillingness of Telangana to implement the ‘directions,’ which he termed “illegal, unconstitutional and against the spirit of federalism”. Wiki has to give accurate info. Try to be balanced. Show correct and latest info.
You did not answer my other questions. Ramcrk (talk) 18:11, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
The article is about a city , so stuffing it with only administration detials is not okay here, and for that purpose we have article for administration in Hyderabad which will give full details to the readers if they are intrested. Hope it serves the purpose. Regards. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

GIGAPAN PANORAMIC IMAGE OF HYDERABAD

Can anyone advice if this panoramic image is okay to use in wikicommon to include in this article. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't think it can be used, unfortunately. There is a copyright notice at the bottom of the page and downloading it here isn't compatible with their terms of use. DrKay (talk) 20:22, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
DrKay very thanks for your advice, according to FA policy is it okay if we include it as an external link
External image
image icon A panoramic view of Hyderabad old city, as published in Earth Platinum atlas. image courtesy gigapan
I believe so. DrKay (talk) 08:32, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Actually, I doubt that it would be a desired link per WP:EL. Normally this would perhaps be allowed to slide, but given that this is an FA (thanks to your efforts!), stricter compliance is preferable. Abecedare (talk) 08:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

List of useful images

  • [File:Zones of Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation.svg GHMC Wards zones] :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:17, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Demographics

The latest 2011, census reports released in 2015 are for Hyderabad district, still waiting for GHMC census results. So please do not confuse the readers by adding Hyderabad district census records. As per some local newspapers only Hyderabad city Muslims recordes were puplished which is there personal assumption. So I do not think its encyclopediac to record manual calculations. Lets wait for latest release plz. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 02:25, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Hyderabad vs. Hyderabadu

The Telugu given on this page is హైదరాబాద్ (haidarābād), but the Telugu version of this article uses హైదరాబాదు (both as the title of the article and as the top of the right-hand box), which transliterates to haidarābādu, or hyderabadu. What gives? Jun-Dai (talk) 02:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

In Telugu language its not unusual to add 'u' at the end of a foreign word that ends with a half-Telugu consonant (pure Telugu word never ends like that) to make it a Telugu word. For eg: Computer becomes "kam-pyu-ta-ru". Car becomes "Kaa-ru". Rail become "rai-lu". Bus becomes "Ba-ssu". English become "In-glee-shu". Hyderabad(Hyder+Abad) is Persian word. But lot of Telugu people call it "Hai-da-raa-baadu". Ramcrk (talk) 00:04, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Hyderabad(Hyder+Abad) is an Urdu word and its pronouncation is explained in Toponomy, alternately its good idea to add the local pronounciation in Telugu in toponomy section. once concensus is created. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 02:30, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Religious Groups

I really don't know how that happened in an article about one of the most prominent cities of India, i.e. Hyderabad. If population has been updated to Census 2011 then why not religious Demographics ? The religious Demographics were still based on Census 2001 data. Come-on, if we have fresh data, why can't we update old data. I updated religious demographics to Census 2011.

From 2001-2011, population of Hyderabad has grown from 3.8 million to 6.7 million. The proportion of Hindus grew from 55.4% to 64.9%. While that of Muslims decreased from 41.2% to 30.13%. The proportion for other religions remained more or less the same. I updated the info with source. Vibhss (talk) 13:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

It hasn't grown by that much. The first figure is for the district, the second for the Metropolitan area. The discrepancy in the religious data is not caused by population shifts but by comparing the district, which has a very large Muslim minority, with Greater Hyderabad, which includes the surrounding areas that are largely Hindu.
As requested previously, please explain what makes census2011.co.in a reliable source. It is a commercial site that says it does not "provide any warranty or guarantee as to the accuracy, timeliness, performance, completeness or suitability of the information and materials found or offered on this website for any particular purpose. You acknowledge that such information and materials may contain inaccuracies or errors." If the figures are to be updated, then I think the official figures from the government portal should be used, if/when they're available, not figures from a site that does not explain the origin of the data or even accept that its own figures are accurate. DrKay (talk) 15:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I agree that it's a unreliable looking site and support reverting these changes. However, another link as a reference has been added now. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 01:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I do not see the new percentage figures for GHMC at the new link: only the 21 lakh figure. DrKay (talk) 04:59, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
@DrKay: The figures are indeed correct; they are for they Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation. The split-up was: Hindus (4,540,841), Muslims (2,107,047) and Christians (192,660). The total population was 6,993,262. The official source lies here. —Vensatry (talk) 08:35, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
@DrKay: 21 lakh(as mentioned in link) out of 68 lakh is is about 30%. Which confirms the numbers given in this [http:// www.census2011.co.in/census/city/392-hyderabad.html link] Ramcrk (talk) 19:52, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
See the official statistics linked by Vensatry, and my comments of 15:44, 10 May 2016, which are entirely in agreement with them. DrKay (talk) 20:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
As of 2007, Hyderabad means GHMC. Not Hyderabad district. All other stats in the article are for GHMC. Why not for this? I would say lets include both Hyderabad dist stats and GHMC stats. More info is better. It gives the reader better understanding of the city. Ramcrk (talk) 20:39, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Actually I would like to tell you all that [http:// www.census2011.co.in/census/city/392-hyderabad.html link] has its statistics derived from the government portal site. You can compare any other city's statistics in this portal with those given in the govt. portal. They are exactly same and undisputed. So, in my opinion, this link is reliable one but if you have replaced this with the link of govt portal, then its alright. At least I have given correct figures for GVMC. Here GVMC refers to the expanded city area way beyond the area of Hyderabad district. The metropolitan area of Hyderabad or simply its UA is further expanded area with population 7.7 million. But some user has removed the religious demographic table of the district and kept the other table citing the article is of city and not district and the district table must be used in specifically the district article. I think it's right and justified. Isn't it ? Vibhss (talk) 10:26, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
I would like to correct one of the users who said Greater Hyderabad is the metropolitan area of Hyderabad. Greater Hyderabad is "only city of Hyderabad" whose area was expanded beyond the district (in the 2001 Census the municipal corporation of Hyderabad administered only the district area) In 2007, as the same user told the city was rechristened as Greater Hyderabad governed by Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation. So, it is misguiding to say "Greater Hyderabad" as the metropolitan area of the city. Greater Hyderabad has population 6.7 million while the metropolitan area has population 7.7 million.

Similarly, Greater Mumbai is the city with population 12.4 million and its metropolitan area has population 18.4 million and extended metropolitan area has population 20.7 million. Vibhss (talk) 10:45, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

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Districts

There's a mismatch between the infobox and article regarding this. Infobox: Hyderabad, Ranga Reddy, Medchal-Malkajgiri, Sangareddy and Medak while article only mentions Hyderabad, Ranga Reddy and Medak. The source cited got me confused (it didn't explicitly state any of this), and I'm not familiar with this subject. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:46, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

I've probably even less familiarity with the subject, but the discrepancy also seems pertinent to the occasional unexplained removals of Medak and (iirc) of Medchal-Malkajgiri from the infobox by various IP editors located in or around Hyderabad. I've reverted such removals several times, but perhaps they're justified. Informed input would be welcome on this point. Haploidavey (talk) 20:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Recently (this month) there were changes brought in the district boundaries and few new districts were also created. Waiting for official citation, cannot rely on News papers for this information. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:56, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Are the changes restored to original then (whichever that is)? No need to keep these unofficial changes. This reminds me of the time they kept adding this as capital of Telangana even before it was created. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:37, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
What was original anyway? Which source in the article? Tell us so that we can have this to point to while reverting future such edits. Kind regards, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:39, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Good idea, that. The whole issue seems horrendously complex, fit to confuse anyone; even an inhabitant of Hyderabad (city) or Hyderabad (district), or even a bureaucrat. Haploidavey (talk) 14:13, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Police commissionerates

Following an uncited IP edit/claim, I checked some gov't websites. It seems that Cyberabad commissionerate was divided into two, towards the end of 2016; Cyberabad and Rachakonda. It seems likely that Cyberabad's previous five subdivisions would have been affected - almost certainly reduced in number or otherwise reorganised. The commissionerate system seems quite complex, and I'm not at all sure that the reorganised Cyberabad Police Commissionerate website is up to date on the change. Anyone care to check this out? I've added a verification tag to removed the material in question. Better to say nothing than to get it wrong - and such details, though of interest to many, are probably not essential to this general article. Haploidavey (talk) 13:11, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

informal assisment

As since long the article is not been assist, made some corrections and removed repeating information. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 04:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

  • @DrKay: Hi, GHMC also called (Greater Hyderabad) consist of outlying districts of Hyderabad districts, so to again special mention of plus the outlying districts is not logical. Thus removing the contents with good faith. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:47, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Why are there are 6.99 million in the 2011 religious figures when there are 6.8 million people in the GHMC area? Both figures come from the same data set. DrKay (talk) 16:27, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Sister cities

I question the relevance of this section. Project-specific WP:CITSTRUCT does not mention it and a quick glance at the WT:WikiProject Cities archives shows there's dispute about whether it's inclusion as a section is justified on each city's page. Thus we are left to decide on a case-by-case basis and there's already a link to that list in the See also. Particularly with it per this edit. This is a FA and as such, we can't just add sections because they are technically possible without any relevance or source scrutiny; being a rather long list, WP:DUE and WP:NOT comes to mind. If we do it, let this be ironed out first. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:07, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Most of it was unsourced, and of the two footnote identifiers, one was undefined (producing a red error message in the references) and the other is a dead link. DrKay (talk) 16:40, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Even if it is sourced, during FA assessment it was decided not to keep sister cities list. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:46, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Hyderabad GDP

As per PWC its USD 58 billion in the year 2008 and as per www.brookings.edu its USD 40 Billion in the year 2014, how does it possible? Whereas as per brookings.edu GDP/economy is increasing since 2000-2014, then how can be there a big fall in GDP from 2008-2014 ?

Logically we can go with as per Safewaternetwork.org its USD 74 Billion in the year 2011-2012, any way looking for more accurate researched data to replace all citations. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:10, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

@Omer123hussain: Hello. We had a very long discussion regarding this GDP topic on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian Economy#City economy size and rank claims - a consensual approach in which it has been agreed to use "range of GDP" as per sources of PwC, Brookings and Yahoo! Finance on articles of six major Indian cities. By the way, Hyderabad has been ranked sixth by both PwC and Brookings and fifth by Yahoo! Finance. None of these rank Hyderabad as third. Even I was surprised by incredibly lower figures of Brookings for Indian cities but to maintain a neutral approach, we have to include Brookings stimates also in the "Range". Vibhss (talk) 13:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, its good to see someone bothers for small but important aspect as GDP. I would say the discussion is still] on going discussion, did not reached consensus, we cant jump in to implement it suddenly unless announcing on the related article talk pages, it will result in edit warring. Any way we shall look beyond PwC, Brookings and Yahoo! Finance for citation? Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 11:32, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
@Omer123hussain: Yes, you are right. By the way, the report of "Safe water Network" (used as source on this article) mentions Hyderabad's GDP as $74 billion ranking it 5th among Indian cities just like Yahoo! Finance (which also mentions same figures and ranking). Whereas, PwC and Brookings rank it 6th. Vibhss (talk) 19:07, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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Pronounciation of Hyderabad

The audio file for the pronunciation of Hyderabad is not the way natives of the city say it, rather how people outside the city say it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.206.221 (talk) 01:37, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Also, the audio file pronunciation is different to the way it is written phonetically in the article. --Cymrodor (talk) 06:42, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hyderabad districts

Hi, I have been editing the Hyderabad article on WikiVoyage. The current obstacle to further progress is the districts into which the city is divided. The exact district boundaries are unclear, and there are also large areas that seem to not be in any district - see here. I asked the person who originally made the districts, but he doesn't seem to be active anymore. Does anyone here have local knowledge who could help out with this? Ar2332 (talk) 12:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello ! User:Ar2332, its nice to see your work, recently regional government had created few districts and boundaries were realigned. Any official announcement related to districts boundaries is awaited. --Omer123hussain (talk) 11:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

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Karachi trounces Hyderabad on lead citation

Because of Mughlai cuisine, I visited this page and Karachi in close succession.

Man does Karachi trounce Hyderabad on the appropriate amount of lead citation, as this page presently exists. Just saying. — MaxEnt 17:50, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

MaxEnt - you are right - the excessive number of citations in the lead of Karachi certainly should be reduced - as the lead is meant to be a summary of the main article.
To quote MOS:CITELEAD
"Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body, and information in the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source"
- Arjayay (talk) 19:16, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Urdu people

The article says Referred to as "Hyderabadi", residents of Hyderabad are predominantly Telugu and Urdu people .... Are we sure about this and the other groups named in the paragraph? For example, although we do have a (redirected) Urdu people article that relates to what seems to be predominantly a Pakistani community and Urdu is really a language, not a community or ethnicity as such. Some similar confusion may arise with other groups that are named, so perhaps we need to clarify in some way? - Sitush (talk) 16:54, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Linked Telugu people and Urdu people-(it gives details about urdu speaking community of hyderabad. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 17:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
To me, it makes no sense to speak of "X people" when X is a language rather than something like a clan, nationality, ethnicity or the like. When we speak of "Welsh people", we mean people whose nationality is Welsh, regardless of whether they speak the language. Those who speak the language would be Welsh-speaking people. So, better would be "Telugu- and Urdu-speaking people". --Stfg (talk) 18:14, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, Stfg, if that is what the sources mean. I find it difficult to believe that they mean Urdu people unless our article on that subject is way off-course. The list given - including Malayali etc- does seem to be a linguistic list at first glance. Of course, India has increasingly been moving towards a linguistic division of states and the extent to which ethnicity and language combine is moot in the modern world. - Sitush (talk) 08:52, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. The phrase "Urdu people" is weird, but the page Urdu people is just a redirect, and it's a plausible search term, I suppose. "Telugu people" is a strange term too, and that page is not a redirect. Its opening sentence is "The Telugu people or Telugu Prajalu means people who speak Telugu language." If that's all it means, I'm wondering whether to move it to "Telugu-speaking people", leaving the current title as a similarly plausible redirect. What do you think? --Stfg (talk) 09:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, the phrase "Urdu people" is nonexistent, Hyderabadi Muslims would be a better term; Although Telugu people are the people that inhabit the region of Telangana and Andhra Pradesh, speak Telugu language and identify with Telugu culture, therefore Telugu people is right on point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hadescurve (talk • contribs) 13:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Let's make a few necessary changes to the photos on the page

I believe the visual imagery in the page is lacking and in some cases outright ancient, like the 11 year old panoramic image of Hussain Sagar from Necklace road (Which I also believe is of terrible quality). The image of Charminar in the collage has a bad gradient. Guess a revamp in the imagery field will work wonders, because Hyderabad has had tremendous changes in various fields in the past 5 years. Can suggest and provide a few images to represent the city, and this page better. [1] Dankmeister0 (talk) 05:24, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia. Where free images are available, we use those. Please see WP:F. NiciVampireHeart 10:38, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2019

Mega city now as it has 10 million Iosqc (talk) 11:18, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done census of India only recognizes 3 mega-cities - as explained on page 3 of this document - Arjayay (talk) 11:42, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2019

Please add more pictures of Hyderabad's recent skyline development in Gachibowli, Nanakramguda, Tellapur, Financial District, etc. (I have a few very good pictures and I can send them to you. Please add a sub-section describing more about the Hyderabad Metro Rail along with pictures. Please add a sub-section describing more about Hyderabad's IT sector and IT exports. Please add a sub-section listing a few very good places to live in Hyderabad. Please add a sub-section briefing/boasting about the IT sector of Hyderabad. Hyderabad has the largest campuses of Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Deloitte and Facebook in the country. Amazon, Microsoft, and Apple campuses in Hyderabad are the largest campuses of the respective companies outside the USA. Google is building its second-largest campus in the world in Hyderabad. Google has its largest presence in the country in Hyderabad. Vamseesign (talk) 16:37, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Edit requests are for requests to make specific, precise edits, not for general requests for article improvement. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

rename category

I am proposing to align the category name with the article name Category_talk:Hyderabad,_India#rename_category. That, or rename this article. Gryffindor (talk) 06:27, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Rename the category. Khestwol (talk) 07:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Rename category rather than article. After long long previous discussions we could create consensus settled for this article name. :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 13:04, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Lede

Dear user:Omer123hussain, the grammar of some of your edits was not good so I am going to fix some wording. Also, some information that I added to the lede, eg. about President's winter office and Big Tech companies, was very important in my opinion so I will add it again. I hope you will not mind. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 14:07, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

  • You are most welcome friend User:Khestwol, but please look into the WP policy in not making it to much glossy, today you may see most of Indian ciites areticles-(Banglore, Chennai, Mysore) had lost the FA status or about to loose just because in the race of highlighting some agencies rankings. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Featured article review?

Independent is misspelled for a start. The second paragraph of the lead isn't even written in sentences. It's essentially just one long sentence without any proper punctuation. This article does not meet Wikipedia:Featured article criteria and should be delisted. DrKay (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Was yesterday's version ok? Khestwol (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Partially agree rather than de-listing, we may move for peer review and fulfill there suggestions. I understand due to continues random editors edits and most of the demographics are decade old had brought the article on this stage. So we need to review that also. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:12, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, can you DrKay review the new lead and suggest further corrections related to punctuations. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:39, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry but I spent tens of hours copy-editing this article in February 2015. I'm not willing to do it again. It's a waste of my time. You can try putting in a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. DrKay (talk) 16:57, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2019

As the population of Hyderabad crossed 10M a few years ago and probably gonna hit 15M by 2020, I request you to update the info in it's official page. The current population is 14.5M according to Google, and also it comes under the Megacity category.

[1] Sai Sivasankaran (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide a reliable source for the population (a Google search result is not). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:42, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-hmd-rev2&sxsrf=ACYBGNT1MuMEn8K1JG1i4FmjLtTw50C6iQ%3A1574172973505&ei=LfnTXcDAHormvgSN3bnYCg&q=hyderabad+population+2019&oq=hyder+population+2019&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.0i7i30l8.397896.399513..400352...0.1..0.159.1824.0j14......0....1.........0i71j0i13j0.K7c4h1wtk0g

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2020

Request to add an entry about Lamakaan in the 'Culture' section of the Hyderabad wikipedia page. Lamakaan is a cultural center which regularly hosts events, plays, workshops, etc. Even more so than Ravindra Bharati and Shilpakala Vedika, both of which are mentioned in the aforementioned section. Given the popularity of Lamakaan and the role it plays in promoting the arts in Hyderabad, I feel that it deserves an entry in the Hyderabad page. Currently the section reads as follows - "Although the city is not particularly noted for theatre and drama,[191] the state government promotes theatre with multiple programmes and festivals[192][193] in such venues as the Ravindra Bharati, Shilpakala Vedika and Lalithakala Thoranam. Although not a purely music oriented event, Numaish, a popular annual exhibition of local and national consumer products, does feature some musical performances.[194]" A line about Lamakaan could be added in the following manner or any other way which is suitable - "Although the city is not particularly noted for theatre and drama,[191] the state government promotes theatre with multiple programmes and festivals[192][193] in such venues as the Ravindra Bharati, Shilpakala Vedika and Lalithakala Thoranam. Lamakaan is another popular cultural hub in the city that frequently hosts theatre performances, workshops, screenings, and discussion forums.[1]. Although not a purely music oriented event, Numaish, a popular annual exhibition of local and national consumer products, does feature some musical performances.[194] ButterflyPimp (talk) 11:44, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Lamakaan – The Open Cultural Center". Lamakaan.
 Done The center is notable and already has its own article well-sourced by RS. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Population of Hyderabad

The population of Hyderabad is listed as 7749334(2011) but as of 2020 the population has crossed 10 million which classifies Hyderabad as a Megacity: https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/21275/hyderabad/population https://indiapopulation2019.com/population-of-hyderabad-2019.html

We need a reliable source. The first one of your links cites the UN, but when I follow the link I can't see the figure given. Please provide a direct link to a reliable source. DrKay (talk) 09:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

citypopulation.de estimates Hyderabad's population as 10.2 million which qualifies as megacity. Megacity wiki article says 33 mega cities according to citypopulation.de and Hyderabad is one among them.

https://www.citypopulation.de/en/world/agglomerations/ Ab207 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

That appears to be a self-published website. How does it meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Reliable sources? DrKay (talk) 07:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

montage alignment

I need some experts help to align montage images --Omer123hussain (talk) 06:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

If you look at the talk page of {{photomontage}} you'll see that the advice for this sort of situation is to build the montage yourself with the cropping and alignments your designer sense tells you make it look good and use that derivative image in the infobox instead of expecting advanced capabilities from the template. There's an example, for instance, at Monterrey (although it looks like the actual montage and the caption may now be out-of-sync). A drawback of this approach is that the individual photos in the montage do not link to their subjects. I suppose you could also create derivative images of some of the intended members of the montage to use so that they all fit together properly. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 21:29, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh, not a user talk page, so I needed to ping @Omer123hussain:. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 21:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

European travelers and name

@DrKay: article currently reads:

Both names were used in the 17th century: German traveller Heinrich von Poser noted, "On 3 December 1622, we reached the city of Bagneger or Hederabat, the seat of the king Sultan Mehemet Culi Cuttub Shah and the capital of the kingdom".[1] French traveller Jean de Thévenot visited the Deccan region in 1666–1667 and refers to the city as "Bagnagar and Aiderabad".[1][2]

I don't see the value of the quotations here, since they simply restate the two names. How about:

The European travelers von Poser and Thévenot found both names in use in the 17th century.[1][1][3]

Not sure that the travelers even need to be named in the text (as opposed to the footnotes).... Remember, this is just the naming section, where the names of the travelers seems completely irrelevant. It would be different if it were about European travelers. --Macrakis (talk) 17:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

  1. ^ a b c d Nanisetti, Serish (7 October 2016). "The city of love: Hyderabad". The Hindu. Retrieved 9 October 2016.
  2. ^ Lach, Donald F; Kley, Edwin J. Van (1993). Asia in the Making of Europe. Vol. 3. University Of Chicago Press. p. ?. ISBN 978-0-226-46768-9. Archived from the original on 3 March 2018.
  3. ^ Lach, Donald F; Kley, Edwin J. Van (1993). Asia in the Making of Europe. Vol. 3. University Of Chicago Press. p. ?. ISBN 978-0-226-46768-9. Archived from the original on 3 March 2018.
Restoring source/reference in section as earlier there was conflict in old names of the city :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
I see no conflict. One source is cited as saying that the original name was Baghnagar (but doesn't say anything about the etymology of Hyderabad). The other is cited as saying that the name Hyderabad means Lion City (but doesn't say that that was the original name). In addition, we have European travelers telling us that both names were current in the 17th century. It would be interesting to have the dates of first use of each name.
Even if there was a dispute (which there is not), there is no reason to give the names of the reference sources in the text. Something like "It is unclear whether the city was first named Baghnagar or Hyderabad.//footnote1//footnote2" or "The first name of the city was probably Baghnagar, though there is some disagreement on this.//footnote1//footnote2" should suffice.
Even if it were appropriate to include the source names in the running text, the names should be correct (it's The Concise Dictionary of World Place Names and not Oxford's Concise Dictionary of World Place Names) and the edition information doesn't belong in the running text unless we're comparing editions.
In addition, your edit undid the correction to gloss formatting in [2] (see WP:SINGLE, cited in the Edit summary.
I will edit the article to reflect Peterson more accurately and correct the above. Let's discuss here before further edits, please. --Macrakis (talk) 15:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
No not again, Please see the earlier discussions, it was all with consensus to avoid confusion and edit warring.
Its a common style in Indian prose to refer either Book or Author name particularly at any historical claim. see India related FA India and Tiruchirappalli.
Currently i am restoring HTML notes as it was suggested by GoCE during FA review and text, and please do not disturb the settings. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:37, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox Image

I see constant back and forth of image in the infobox. Omer123hussain replaced an old montage with a bunch of new images while Danloud helped in aligning them. Just when images are perfectly aligned in this version. Abbasquadir reverted the edit back to poor alignment due to "unexplained removal of content?" Even image in older version works fine. Are we trying to fix something which ain't broke? -- Ab207 (talk) 14:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I prefer this version of Danloud it looks organized and all images are reliable. :)---Omer123hussain (talk) 06:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I think we can settle for that. -- Ab207 (talk) 20:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
My apologies, didn't nontice thatAbbasquadir (talk) 16:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Why not create a gallery type Photomontage? There is this template to make a good photomontage. Individually clickable large images can be added resulting in a "gallery of images" thus adding more value to the infobox.Serv181920 (talk) 11:06, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

"Would have been"?

Hello. There is the following sentence in the "Toponymy" section of the article: "The city would have been named Hyderabad in her honour."
I propose to get that entire paragraph removed as per WP:REMOVAL, that says : If there is a possibility that the information may be accurate, but there is uncertainty, add the template [dubious – discuss] after the statement. This will add [dubious - discuss] to the finished version, encouraging readers and editors to discuss the matter. So, either we remove it altogether or add a [dubious – discuss] tag to it. Thank you.Serv181920 (talk) 10:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Update : Have removed those statements from Toponymy, as it was dubious, from a tale. Check "The colors of violence", page 23 by Sudhir Kakar.Serv181920 (talk) 13:34, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

You've misunderstood both our policy and the purpose of that maintenance template. It's fine to talk about myths, legends and tales, as long as they are couched in those terms and not presented as fact. DrKay (talk) 13:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Got it, thanks.Serv181920 (talk) 14:04, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Overused images

Per WP:GALLERY, galleries of images are generally deprecated and in my experience are only normally used on articles about art or artists. The images being added most recently do not add anything as far as I can see that is not already shown by the existing images (which already include cityscapes, night scenes and local statues). DrKay (talk) 18:47, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

This user User:Vkailasa is not responding to his talk page, and conteniously vandalizing the article with disruptive information and images. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 11:10, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Pronunciation

The pronunciation used at the beginning of the article is a Telugu pronunciation and does not reflect the pronunciation used by the Urdu speaking residents (who are predominant in the older central areas of the city). Magichero1234 (talk) 01:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

User:Magichero1234 you may correct it. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:31, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Word Hyderabad should be written in urdu font Immediately after the introduction heading. Syed09101972 (talk) 23:38, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

We avoid this, per Wikipedia:INDICSCRIPT. Certes (talk) 00:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Statue of Equality - Ramanuja Statue

Let me just start a discussion as to whether we want to wikilink Statue of Equality (Ramanuja) from this article. The article is fairly developed, tho still in need of a bit of citations (doesn't mean we can't link). This is now the second tallest sitting statue in the world. I think mentioning it in the article could be WP:DUE. It could go into the Landmarks section, since it became a "landmark" for being the second tallest one. Note that the section talks about all constructions done in earlier centuries (because they are) (is this statue the first such "landmark" construction in this century?) Not into Religion as it is a Demographics section. Not History as well as this is not "history" of the city. Or could be too early as it is just inaugurated and is WP:CRYSTAL and we don't know if and when it becomes an actual landmark, and discussed in sources as such. (Posting as @Vkailasa seems very adamant to post a discussion here, and I don't see that's being happening.)

My opinion would be to add it in the Landmarks section. — DaxServer (t · c) 23:34, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

The reason i have been adding it is quite a big landmark/achievement in Hyderabad growth. I saw less significant things got place in Hyderabad wikipages and this statue also deserves mention in Hyderabad wiki page. As to which section this comes under - if it is a landmark ,religious , neighborhood - you can decide on that. I personally feel 2nd biggest sitting statue of world deserves its place in Hyderabad and Telangana wiki pages. I only hope wiki is open to changes happening around us and keep wiki up to date . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vkailasa (talk • contribs) 05:24, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

i concur above comments are mine--Vkailasa (talk) 06:44, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I also see Durgam Cheruvu , Bharat Biotech ( produced world class vaccine ) has no mention in Hyderabad wik pagaes which also puzzles me. Sharing my opinion.--Vkailasa (talk) 06:57, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Adding to my comments, the statue located at Muchintal is "outside" the city, technically speaking — DaxServer (t · c) 09:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

City is growing bigger and faster day by day. It may be around 8 km from Shamshabad/Hyderabad airport.I dont mind u put outskirts of the city but this statue needs mention in Hyderabad wiki as it may symbolize so many things. So please go ahead as per your way of putting it on Hyderabad wiki but i strongly feel it needs mention . Also please see if you can add Durgam Cheruvu and Bharat Biotech ( which produced world class covaxin) . Thanks in advance.--Vkailasa (talk) 15:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

The correct article to list it is Telangana, Would like to add or give reference in the article Hyderabad but we cannot define it as a landmark of Hyderabad. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 07:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Observation on Razakars as on 11 July 2022

It is strange to notice that the Wikipedia article on Hyderabad has no mentions of Razakars in it. Wikipedia strives to uphold the impartiality & neutrality. This omission, if it is deliberate, needs rectification. The editors who frequent this page and watch regularly are hereby called upon to collaborate and enrich the existing contents. We must strive in good faith to provide complete information to the readers. Anand2202 (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

This article is about the city not the state. The Razakars are covered at more appropriate articles. This isn't a POV issue. It's about keeping a summary style article like this one brief and to the point. DrKay (talk) 11:15, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Compliance of WP:HSTRS

Works of historian P.V. Kate, a Ph.D. scholar from Department of History at Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar Marathwada University qualifies under WP:HISTRS It can be easily verified here and hence is considered a reliable source. Marathwada Under the Nizams, 1724-1948 is a history book that summarize the scholarly literature on the title.

The guideline Identifying reliable sources (history) categorically mentions

it doesn't mean to imply that reliable non-scholarly sources are inappropriate or insufficient just because scholarly sources are available or potentially available. Finding and using scholarly sources is a best practice, not a requirement.

Recent edits were reverted citing WP:HSTRS violations. Hope this clarification will be satisfactory for upcoming edits. Anand2202 (talk) 06:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, he is a historian. But not quite neutral. You have to use him along with other sources such as Benichou and Sherman. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
"not quite neutral"? I see. Would you please elaborate?
A person who is academically trained in historiography is all that needs to qualify as a Historian. P V Kate belongs to the region which has witnessed the era of Razakars. If citation to the work of this person is given, then why is there a need to "use him along with other" foreign sources such as Benichou and Sherman?
Not a single historian differs on the account of acts committed by Razakars. However, if there are sources that put-forth a different perspective on the same issue, then they are most welcome to be added in the article so that a reader gets an all-round information on the topic. Anand2202 (talk) 10:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
WP:NPOV is a requirement for all Wikipedia articles, and applies to all editors. You cannot simply add POV and expect somebody else to make it NPOV. You are on an ARBIPA page, and you need to pay attention to Wikipedia policies. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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"de jure" capital of Andhra Pradesh?

How can Hyderabad be the "de jure" capital of Andhra Pradesh, if it is in a different state, many miles away? 73.89.26.253 (talk) 12:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources

@SINGOJIU: If you want to cite an academic paper, you need to give details, which should include the journal where it was published. Just because Academia.edu has a paper does not make the paper reliable; it has a trustworthiness of zero.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Economic data in the infobox

@Omer123hussain: You cannot relabel data in the infobox as you did in this edit. The data comes from a source, which shows what the data were. If the article is going to quote the data it needs to be labelled accurately.

If you want the infobox to show the Metro GDP (PPP), then you need to find a reliable source that actually contains this data.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I get one citation very soon. Omer123hussain (talk) 08:33, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b Telangana Socio Economic Outlook 2022 (PDF), Planning Department, Government of Telangana, p. 24, retrieved 7 April 2023
    Dollar conversion based on the exchange rate for 31 December 2020, since the data are for 2020-21. Exchange rate: 0.0137

Rival photomontages

Old version Atharvm234's version Corrected captions
Atharvm234's version 		Corrected captions and size
Atharvm234's version 		Infobox with the Charminar as the image
3D view
Hyderabad
300px
Clockwise from top: Charminar, Qutb Shahi tombs, Buddha Statue at Hussain Sagar, Falaknuma Palace, Skyline of Gachibowli, Birla Mandir.
Hyderabad
Hyderabad
Hyderabad
Hyderabad
The Charminar
The Charminar

@Atharvm234: created a different montage for the infobox (see above). @DrKay: reverted it saying that the caption was wrong.[3] Atharvm234 reverted back without correcting the caption. I also object to the new montage, because I do not think we should have an enormous photomontage in the infobox - either have a photomontage or one larger photo – a photomontage of larger photos is too much (rather like having three tablespoonfuls of sugar in a cup of coffee).-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I have done versions above that fix (a) the captions, and (b) use a width of 200px instead of 270px. The latter would produce an acceptable size photomontage if there were less photographs.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:45, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@Toddy1, @Atharvm234, I suggest the multiple photo montage is to be only considered when there is no iconic symbol for the place. Charminar is the icon for Hyderabad and that alone is actually good enough for inclusion in the infobox. Even if the number of photos need to be increased, I do not see any reason to go beyond three one full and two half width images. In the above suggested montage, I do not see the value add of Golconda fort (too small to be impactful), Ramoji film city images. Similarly Hussain sagar night view also is not required in the infobox. They can be included in the gallery section. Arjunaraoc (talk) 09:45, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
@Arjunaraoc: I suggest that you change the infobox to show just one photograph of the Charminar (correctly captioned), and if you think the article needs the other photographs, put them in a galley. -- Toddy1 (talk) 12:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
There are lots of photographs of the Charminar at: Media related to Charminar at Wikimedia Commons (just click on the link).
For the prototype above, I chose one that I liked, which was not in use on other English-language Wikipedia pages. But you chose one that you think best. -- Toddy1 (talk) 12:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
@Toddy1, Thanks for your response. Let's hear from @Atharvm234 , @DrKay and others interested in this topic as well before finalising the decision. Arjunaraoc (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Updated the image in Infobox, as there were no further responses against the change. Arjunaraoc (talk) 11:31, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
@Omer123hussain, May I know why did you restore the photo montage as per this diff?. Did you miss the above discussion? Arjunaraoc (talk) 05:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Certainly it was replaced with a picture of charminar by some user, thus I restored as per FA standards. Any issue in this montage? Omer123hussain (talk) 08:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
The image was replaced by a photograph of the Charminar as a result of the above discussion, which you did not participate in. You claim that you restored as per FA standards - please can you show a link to the standard(s) you are talking about. Wikipedia:Content assessment does not mention a requirement for a photomontage in the infobox as a requirement.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Please check the FA discussion of this article. Do not spoil the article in the name of discussion. Omer123hussain (talk) 11:10, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
It's a common understanding to keep a montage for city based FA specialy Indian articles. Thus keeping a single image in infobox and moving multiple images in article body will increase articles weight. Already reduced lot of data to fit the article, etc etc these all things were already discussed earlier. Hope you understand. Current montage represent modern and all the earlier rulers architecture style etc. Regards :) Omer123hussain (talk) 11:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Then show me where this is documented.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
As an experienced editor you should have initially stopped the removal of montage, as what @DrKay had done, rather than that you are arguing here with all established editors, It was very well discussed to keep montage during FAC and other reviews for reference find some of the discussions here, here, here and here. Any way I am restoring it to the last version. Regards :) Omer123hussain (talk) 08:53, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
What I take from your diffs of 2010-12, is that you are now admitting that there is no policy saying that montages are compulsory in FA articles on cities. It is purely a matter of personal choice of editors.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:01, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Dear you probably misunderstood me or may be i was not clear, i never mentioned its compulsory what i mean is it is allowed to keep montage as per MOS, and as discussed during FA reviews it was advised to go with montage which represents; city icon, past and present architecture or monuments. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation. Regards :) Omer123hussain (talk) 09:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Original name

There have been some attempts to change this. Our article states Bhagnagar, but our references differ.

  • The first [1] states Bhágnagar
  • The second [2] uses Baghnagar.
  • The third [3] I cannot access
  • The fourth [4] uses Baghnagar

So, do we state both spellings? or follow the principal that "Raj sources are not WP:Reliable sources"? in which case, we should remove that reference. Arjayay (talk) 17:04, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

An unthinking prejudice against Raj sources is not very sensible. What is sensible is to accept that modern scholarship sometimes shows that older scholarship was mistaken, and that sometimes foreigners get things wrong.
  • The 1891 source gives a plausible reason for the name. Bhágnagar, the 'Fortunate City,' called after Bhágmatí the favourite mistress of Kutb Sháh Muhammad Kulí, who founded it in 1589... It is clear that it is not a typographical error by Francois.
  • The 1996 source, says The city was founded in 1591 by the fifth ruler of Golconda, Quli Qutb Saha, The city was originally known as Baghnagar (city of gardens).... There is no explanation for the name, and a different translation of the name into English. It is clear that it is not a typographical error by Petersen.
It would appear that Petersen (without explaining) was probably following Professor H.K. Sherwani's 1967 monograph on Muhammad Quli. Sherwani questioned the existence of Bhagmati. But Sherwani's arguments were tenuous and not generally accepted. See Luther, Narendra. Prince, Poet, Lover, Builder: Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, The Founder of Hyderabad (1991) plates between pages 82 and 83, and text at pages 83-90.
Probably the best thing to do is expand the section Hyderabad#Toponymy and to make it clear that the Petersen source supports a different name that translates as 'city of gardens'.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:49, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
  • Interesting, and I couldn't resist digging into the sources! Technically, Petersen has explained the name by providing the translation and the Luther source bolsters the garden argument while also arguing that it is not tenable. I could say, though that would be OR, that the French usually drop the h anyway. Baghnagar, pronounced by a French speaker, would sound like Bagnagar (with a shorter g than in English). Add to that that Luther was a writer while Sherwani a historian .... (though, of course, I agree with your final statement that we should provide both meanings). --RegentsPark (comment) 18:06, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Sherwani's book: Muhammad-Quli Qutb Shah founder of Hydarabad.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:09, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
But that does not appear to mention Baghnagar; though it discusses whether Bhagmati existed and the provenance of the stories about her, and questions the correctness of Bhagnagar.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:22, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Francois, Bernier (1891). Travels in the Mogul Empire, 1656 - 1668 (1st ed.). London: Archibald Constable. p. 19.
  2. ^ Petersen, Andrew (1996). Dictionary of Islamic architecture. Routledge. p. 112. ISBN 978-0-415-06084-4. Retrieved 28 June 2021.
  3. ^ Lach, Donald F; Kley, Edwin J. Van (1993). Asia in the Making of Europe. Vol. 3. University of Chicago Press. p. ?. ISBN 978-0-226-46768-9. Archived from the original on 3 March 2018.
  4. ^ Nanisetti, Serish (7 October 2016). "The city of love: Hyderabad". The Hindu. Archived from the original on 7 December 2020. Retrieved 9 October 2016.

@Omer123hussain and DrKay: May I draw your attention to the above discussion. This edit expresses in Wikipedia's voice that the "city of gardens" explanation of the old name for the city is the correct one, and that the "fortunate city" is incorrect. Surely both explanations should be given equal weight.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:16, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Probably it confuses non native speakers due to rhyming sound of both words; 1st: Bagh-nagar means City of garden/Garden city and 2nd Bhag-nagar means Fortunate city, this edit of mine has specified it clearly. Regards :) Omer123hussain (talk) 10:07, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Mentioning de jure in the lede

@Omer123hussain, I see that you have restored the lede, which states that Hyderbad is the de jure capital of Andhra Pradesh by this diff. As Amaravati has been identified as the capital of Andhra Pradesh and even Survey of India maps were corrected few years back, I feel that there is no need to mention the dejure status in the lede. Arjunaraoc (talk) 06:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

you are right, but asper reorganisation act it will be de jure cap until 2024, so we need to accept the reality. Omer123hussain (talk) 08:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
@Omer123hussain, Thanks for your response. My view is that 'de jure' is not important enough to be retained in the lead at this time. It could be mentioned in the rest of the article, if desired. Arjunaraoc (talk) 04:41, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I have no issue to remove it, but that is the current status of the city by law (capital of TG and Dejure capital of AP) so it needed to be added in the city's introduction, hope you understand.  :) Omer123hussain (talk) 08:58, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
@Omer123hussain, Thanks. I have removed it. Arjunaraoc (talk) 10:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Telugu pronunciation

The Telugu pronunciation offered at the beginning of the page does not reflect the pronunciation used in the Telangana dialect of Telugu (it represents and Andhra pronunciation).

Either this should be changed or removed Bangarukodipetta (talk) 17:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2023

Why this article cannot be edited? I have also registered here. Nusrat Jahan 201999 (talk) 08:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

The page has been designated as a contentious topic. Because it has suffered frequent vandalism and disruptive editing from new accounts, only editors who registered more than four days ago can change it. Certes (talk) 08:44, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 Not done: Appears to be a question rather than an edit request Kpgjhpjm 08:57, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

citation style changes

User:Toddy1, While you keep ignoring the requests made to you and adamantly keep deleting the good faith work without discussing on talk page, and did not restored the well cited sections even after requesting many times and in-fact you deleted the requests/warnings given to you on your talk page.

  • I removed your duplicate ref name "McCann(1994)-p6" which you gave in this edit.
  • It is a fa article, and it uses a certain style, which was suggested or decided during multiple stages of article's reviews, copyedits, and other processes. The article follows bundled citation style for single use ref's. I suggest you please go thru the articles archived talk pages before editing here and making any changes, because it will impact on the articles style and fashion of citation and other arrangements, which will lead to its delisting from fa, which i dont want in any case I am consistently working to its protection from last 10 years by repairing, fixing and updating the outdated or dead citations.
  • If you do not give-up such adamant behavior in your editing pattern on this article, you will be barred from edit this page, which may also lead/impact to restrict your other rights. :)

Omer123hussain (talk) 07:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

The reason I made the edit was that an earlier version had two different definitions of <ref name="Hyderabad_and_Bhagmati">. This showed up in "show preview" as: Cite error: The named reference "Hyderabad_and_Bhagmati" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page). So I fixed the problem.
I think you misunderstood the edit I made. It was not a "duplicate name". "McCann(1994)-p6" was cited in two places. In the first place it had <ref name="McCann(1994)-p6"> followed by a citation template and then </ref>. In the second place it had <ref name="McCann(1994)-p6"/>. This meant that the citation was used in two places.
In your changed version, you now have exactly the same citation template for the citation to McCann in two places: (1) in the definition of "McCann(1994)", and (2) in the definition of "Hyderabad_and_Bhagmati".
By all means go to WP:ANI.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:35, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
By the way, the concept of having a page number in a reference name is in case someone wants to cite a different page of the same book for something else.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Well in that case we are using : 6  template, that is why I suggested to read and go thru archives and articles style. .
  • Definitely will reach there, because deleting reliable citation if not accessible without discussion cannot be justified.
Omer123hussain (talk) 12:17, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Now the article has 91 citations where the citation templates cite the page numbers, and 36 citations using the {{rp| }} system. By the way the {{rp| }} system is not compatible with bundled citations.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:13, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Dubious

@Omer123hussain: You have twice added the following citation:

Please provide a quotation from page 311 of the book that supports whatever it is that the citation is meant to support. If you cannot do that I will remove the citation again. It clearly does NOT support these communities, of which the Hadhrami Arabs (locally known as Chaush) are the largest, declined after Hyderabad State became part of the Indian Union, as they lost the patronage of the Asaf Jahi Nizams., which is the statement that you parked it next to.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I suggest you read the page 311, its link is cited. By any chance if you are unable to open the link please let me know.  :)
Omer123hussain (talk) 10:53, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
I've restored the dubious tag. This source is over a hundred years old and so cannot support population statistics in the present tense. I've also tagged the other sources, as they do not support the article content either. DrKay (talk) 13:56, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
This source is not for population statistics, infact its a comprehensive account of ethnicity settled while when Hyderabad was restablishing after the floods of 1908. This detail information is rarely available, in modern writings. I had placed 100s of citation in this article but this piece is comprehensive. Omer123hussain (talk) 19:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Then you agree that part of the sentence is not sourced. DrKay (talk) 19:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Which part? i think there is misunderstanding being formed here.
I placed it for ethnic settelment reference. As far as the sourse is reliable and comprehensive. Omer123hussain (talk) 03:12, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
See opening comment. DrKay (talk) 07:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
It is already cited, you both are either misunderstanding the citation or got confused. Omer123hussain (talk) 22:47, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Only snippet view is available for this book on Google books. I can see some lines of page 311, but none of these support the content. In any case, a book published in 1912 cannot possibly be used as a citation for how the population changed after Operation Polo in 1948 (which is what it appears to be cited for).-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:03, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
It is very strange that you are unable to access this li k, where as the entire book is degital and open to read. Omer123hussain (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
It's not remotely strange. Google behaves differently in different countries. Full text is available in some but not others. DrKay (talk) 19:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Thats why its strange. It should be easily accessible as its free from cr. Omer123hussain (talk) 03:16, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
You claim that page 311 is a citation for something. Please type out a quotation from page 311 that you think supports whatever it is you think it supports.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
I can do word searches, and can tell for instance that neither "Hadhrami" nor "Chaush" show up in a word search.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:28, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
You dont know the subject, Hadrami and chaush both are same, and chaush is WL.
These all are already cited and i added additional citation for support, Please i dont want to waste time in solving your confusions. Omer123hussain (talk) 22:58, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
I've removed that section. It's not properly sourced and your refusal to give any kind of proper answer evidently indicates that you cannot provide one. DrKay (talk) 06:28, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
I've restored it, you removed without concessions, you cannot remove a sourced and well written section. Wait for some time. Omer123hussain (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
It's not sourced or well-written. DrKay (talk) 13:13, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
I have removed it again, but taking care to retain Omer123hussain's changes to the citation marked ref name="krank freitag".
Regarding languages spoken, I would have thought that the 2011 Indian Census was the most useful source. I cannot check it today, because the site is down (probably for maintenance – this sometimes happens at weekends). If there are things that you say are supported by particular sources, the most useful approach would be to quote from the sources, either in the citations or on the talk page. In the citation template the format is |quotation=.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:06, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
User DrKay,
U had been a strong support and defender of this article, though this article was declared FA on 10 August 2013, and it is still FA because you are regularly patrolling, you are aware that I could not give much time to defend this article but timely i am being trying to maintain its authenticity. Every few days I am visiting and cleaning anything outdated on this article.
As you advised and taged i had searched and replaced the dead url, and you had taged again the dead url of the hindu newspaper; though i can access its archive link, but as you want i will try to find some better source and replace it. While keeping your template i am Restoring to your version once again. Thanks for your support and defending this article from vandals and POV always. Regards :)
User Toddy1,
  • 1) you don't understand the things/subject properly as per your above couple of arguments it is proven that simply you indulge editors in arguments leading to editwaring. and rather supporting or improving the work by doing something good.
  • 2) you do not have proper access to check the sources, beyond you are deleting the cited work, that too an entire section from FA this is usually not done by any establish editor, they keep patients and try to improve if they find any error. this behavior of yours make me think that you are keeping some personal grudge, and in the name of "DrKay" you are trying to fulfill your ambitions to spoil this article and damage other users goodfaith work by indulging them in edit warring. Please be refrain from edit warring and let us do our work with patients, with all good work and understanding we are working and maintaining this article since 2012, you had recently been randomly visiting this page that to with destructive work-(as seen in your previous edits pattern on this article, as deleting montage or deleting an entire section which is cited).
This behavior of yours proves your intention to spoil this article and editors good name: You had wontedly deleted the section to indulge the editors in edit waring. Please refrain and have patients. Omer123hussain (talk) 16:39, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm not tagging for dead links. I am tagging for verification failure. The cited sources do not support the content of the sentences they are next to. DrKay (talk) 16:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Omer123hussain, you were asked to provide a quotation from page 311 of the 1912 book to show how page 311 supported whatever it was that you thought it supported. You refused to do this. Your reply regarding word searches on the book,[4] was bizarre. I entirely agree with DrKay's response to that reply.[5] -- Toddy1 (talk) 16:56, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
@Omer123hussain Please provide the quote as asked for. The WP:BURDEN is on you as you're defending to retain the reference — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 17:52, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Toddy1, if you wanted quote from that link;
  • Instead of asking it on talk page with your reasons of access failure, why you reverted my work.
  • Why did you contentiously keep revert my edit and and here will you apologize for it ?
  • What make you revert this edit warring warning, do you want to run away/hide from your actions.
  • Do you have audacity to go on other articles and revert the work which you cannot access, can you be openly let me know what make you doubt my work, or you are simply targeting me for xyz reasons.
DaxServer;
1) this user Toddy1 is contentiously indulging in edit warring 1 reverted without discussion and well cited work reverted by reasoning other users name and instigating other users also, but I don't see you giving a single warning to Toddy1. What is stopping you or are you biased?
2) i have placed citation and its link, I can quote it also, but the question is why should i do it? does this mean every book reference in every article should provide quote. it will also mean that any user who could not be able to access the link/source will go on articles and revert it or tag it "doubious", just because they do not have access to it in there region. why i am being targeted, which action/s of my is making you all to doubt my work here? Omer123hussain (talk) 19:03, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Omer123hussain, look at the post dated 08:46, 4 August 2023 at the top of this section. It says Please provide a quotation from page 311 of the book that supports whatever it is that the citation is meant to support.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:05, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
As per WP policy you need to first discuss on talk page before deleting any edit, specially for those who are regularly contributing the article,
  • but on 19:06, 3 August 2023you deleted my well cited linked edit check article edit history of without discussion on talk-page, just simply because you cannot access, and continuously keep involved in edit warring.
Omer123hussain (talk) 21:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
why should i do it? Because it is challenged. From WP:BURDEN: The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material ... The cited source must clearly support the material as presented in the article. So, demonstrate its verifiability-ness. You seem to have access to the source, so you can provide the quotes. This will be the last time you'll be asked for such. Any replies without the quotations and/or other material that support the content will move you to ANIland — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 06:31, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Lets move. Omer123hussain (talk) 21:52, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Omer123hussain has re-added the ethnicity section complete with the citation to page 311 of Bennett-Coleman's 1912 book,[6] and removed the dubious tag.[7] He/she has failed to provide quotations from page 311 showing that it supports whatever it is that the citation is meant to support. I think the best thing to do is to delete all citations to page 311 of that book, until someone can provide quotations from it showing what it supports. (See WP:BURDEN.)-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@Omer123hussain You don't have the consensus. This is now the definition of tendentious editing. I support @Toddy1's proposal to remove until WP:V is proved and a consensus is reached — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 10:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Restored the citation, as far as it is 1) reliable, 2) with accessible link, etc.. and to apply a reliable link don't need a consensus, unless it is justified. And if you are adamant to remove it, my questions need to be answered which i had asked above. Omer123hussain (talk) 09:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2023

Please remove the duplicate entries as stated below, in the history section (in the table). Mughal Empire 1687-1724 Nizam State 1724-1948

Quoted Text: "Early and medieval history Historical affiliations Golconda Sultanate 1518–1687 (inception of Hyderabad city in 1591) Mughal Empire 1687-1724 Nizam State 1724-1948 Mughal Empire 1687-1724 Nizam State 1724-1948 Hyderabad State 1948–1956 Andhra Pradesh 1956–2014 Telangana 2014-Till date" 106.216.203.174 (talk) 17:23, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Tollens (talk) 20:31, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2023

There is a spelling mistake with the word bhaghnagar. correct spelling is Bhagyanagar which name used to call the city. Sumitjoshi77 (talk) 08:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 15:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2023

Please add information proved by historians 49.204.18.72 (talk) 10:55, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DrKay (talk) 11:12, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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