Talk:Jackie Goldberg

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'first openly gay City Council Member'?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jackie Goldberg/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Reppop (talk · contribs) 23:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 13:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Sources are reliable. Images are appropriately licensed.

• Earwig highlights two short phrases as being taken straight from the source: "kept her from getting a job in the Los Angeles Unified School District" and "program to transfer more authority to teachers, parents and community members". These should be rephrased to avoid using the wording in the source. See WP:CLOP.

  Rephrased to say "subsequently prevented her from securing a job within the Los Angeles Unified School District" and "established a program to give greater authority to the community, including teachers and parents". reppop^talk 21:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

  Still very similar, but these are standard phrases that are hard to rephrase so I think it's good enough. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Spotchecks. Footnote numbers refer to this version.

• FN 26 cites "Garcetti and Woo advanced to a runoff, where Garcetti ultimately won the election." Verified.
• FN 23 cites 'Goldberg also spearheaded the revitalization of Hollywood, saying that the council "invested funds in Hollywood that were invested nowhere else in the city for the past 15 years."' The source has "Jackie Goldberg ... who spearheaded the revitalization of Hollywood". This is too close to the original and should be rephrased.

  Rephrased the sentence to "Goldberg also led the revitalization of the Hollywood area". reppop^talk 21:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

  OK. We still have "revitalization of Hollywood" but there's no easy way to rephrase that and it's kind of a standard phrase so I think we're OK. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• FNs 36 & 37 cite "She also authored a bill that granted same-sex couples the same legal rights and obligations as married couples in handling children, money, and property. Governor Gray Davis promised to sign the bill." The source has "Gay partners in California will gain many of the same legal rights and obligations of married couples in handling children, money and property under a bill that cleared the Legislature on Wednesday and that Gov. Gray Davis has promised to sign." This is too close to the original and should be rephrased.

  Rephrased the sentence to "She also wrote a bill that provided same-sex couples with the same legal rights and responsibilities as married couples concerning children, finances, and property, which Governor Gray Davis promised to sign". reppop^talk 21:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

  This still uses the same sentence structure and many of the same words. I had a look at the two sources you give for this, and I think we could do something like this: "She also wrote a bill that eliminated some of the differences between domestic partnerships and traditional marriages. The bill gave same-sex couples financial obligations to each other and to any children, responsibility for each others' debts, and the ability to own property and file taxes jointly." This still has some language similar to one of the sources, which says "B205, Goldberg's measure, which would extend many of the rights associated with marriage to domestic partners. The rights include the obligation of couples to financially support each other and any children, the right to own land and property as a couple, and the right to file state income taxes jointly." I think this is different enough. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

  I replaced my sentence with the one you suggested. reppop^talk 20:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• FN 47 cites "In her first days back on the board, Goldberg challenged the aid to charter schools." The source has "In her first days back on the board, Goldberg challenged the aid to charter schools". I think this is OK -- "challenged the aid" is hard to rephrase.
• FN 49 cites "Goldberg defeated Martinez Duran in the election and was re-elected to a second term." I don't see this in the cited source.

  I've added a source from The Eastsider LA about Goldberg's victory against Martinez Duran. reppop^talk 21:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you fix these, and check the article for other instances that might need rephrasing in order not to run afoul of WP:CLOP? The article can't be promoted to GA unless it passes the spotcheck -- if I find more issues when I check again I'd have to fail the article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I've checked the article again and done more changes in order to give more context and to rephrase some parts of the article. reppop^talk 21:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

One point left above. I'll do another set of spotchecks, this morning if I have time, otherwise it'll probably be some time tomorrow. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Second round of spotchecks; footnote numbers refer to this version.

• FN 29 cites "Initially facing competition from AIDS activist Cesar Portillo and legal services director Antonio de la Rosa, the latter withdrew from the race, leaving Goldberg and Portillo as the remaining candidates." As far as I can see this source does not mention de la Rosa by name, though it does mention a third candidate that was presumably de la Rosa.
• FN 52 cites "In the 2020 election, she was challenged by teacher Christina Martinez Duran. Goldberg faced opposition from Manhattan Beach businessman Bill Bloomfield, who ran attack ads against her." Verified.
• FN 31 cites "In the primary, Goldberg secured a landslide victory over Portillo, and subsequently proceeded to win the general election unopposed." The source is dated before the primary so can't be a source either for the primary or general election victory. I see you have valid sources in the electoral results table; I would add those here.
• FN 45 cites "The board opted to schedule an election on March 5, 2019, followed by a runoff on May 14, 2019, while also deciding against pursuing an appointment process." Verified.

I'm afraid this is a fail -- two of the four spotchecks found that the sources did not support the material cited. I would recommend going through each citation in the same way and making sure it really does support the material it's being used to cite, before nominating again. Best of luck with the article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jackie Goldberg/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Reppop (talk · contribs) 01:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Czarking0 (talk · contribs) 03:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Starting this review, more to follow.Czarking0 (talk) 03:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for picking this up. I've left some comments. reppop^talk 05:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Reads better if you write "After her 1999 election to the State Assembly," Added. Upon further reading I think this should say 2000"? Switched. Not clear how this relates to her given she was on the council for six years? I think this quote is just too out of context and paraphrasing should be used instead. "invested funds in Hollywood that were invested nowhere else in the city for the past 15 years." I've done some work on that sentence. I think it is still unclear. Basically, "invested nowhere else in the city" does this mean they continued to invest the funds that were already invested in Hollywood for the past 15 years? How is that revitalization? Or does it mean there were funds that were just not invested anywhere and they invested them in Hollywood? Or does it mean the level of investment was beyond anywhere in the city ? I've added some more context for how Hollywood needed it (the 1994 earthquake) and howlshe helped with the area afterwards. "She and Christine Kehoe joined incumbent assemblymembers Sheila Kuehl and Carole Migden as the only openly gay members of the state assembly. " "Only" is quite a stretch of an adjective to describe a group of 4. I suggest reordering this paragraph to "get to the punchline" first. Basically, "she was a founding member of the California Legislative LGBTQ Caucus in June 2002". Changed to what you suggested. " In the general election, she defeated him, with her victory contributing to a liberal majority on the board, alongside Larry Gonzalez." Is it a three person board? The alongside Gonzalez is not clear here. Added that its a four person majority that Goldberg achieved with Gonzalez. I added "simultaneous " to explain the relation between Goldberg and Gonzalez.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	"defeating an anti-union and conservative incumbent" who she defeated doesn't seem like it belongs in the lead. "following the resignation of Ref Rodriguez." His resignation does not seem like it belongs in the lead. I've removed both from the lead.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Looks good overall FN 13 News-Pilot is a newspaper without the location in the title so it needs the location added. Added location.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Reliable sources looks good. Spot Checks: "Goldberg took a leading role and led the initial talks with the University of California administration to peacefully resolve the police car blockade before being replaced as the spokesperson by Mario Savio." - Verified. The sources are a bit odd but still RS so that is not a problem for GA. " She was arrested during a nonviolent demonstration, which subsequently prevented her from securing a job within the Los Angeles Unified School District...she became a teacher in the Compton Unified School District" - Verified "During her tenure, the board implemented a year-round schedule to alleviate overcrowding in schools and established a program to give greater authority to the community, including teachers and parents" -- Verified "However, board member Rita Walters cast the lone vote against Goldberg's election, expressing concern that Goldberg's election was from the board's preference for teachers over administrators." -- Verified "In November 1990, Goldberg announced her retirement from the board and her intention to return to her career as a high school teacher." --Verified, I think the ref for FN 15 should be move one sentence up. Moved it up to that sentence. "Goldberg being more liberal and endorsed by high-profile Democrats such as Gloria Molina" - I think this summary is problematic. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is unverified, but the source indicates significant other concerns than liberal/conservative. Primarily, Goldberg seemed to be more on the identity politics (race and sexual orientation) and LaBonge running a practical "fix the pot holes" campaign. Potentially, the low primary turn out is also worth noting. I am not sure how that turn out compared to other years or the general election. I've tried to re-summarize it without the "liberal" and "conservative" aspects, I don't know if its good enough. I used the L.A. times article for the reference. Low turnout is basically a staple of LA politics, especially since it was off-year elections until recently. I commented below on the nature of "diverse". I think another issue here is that some one who is not well informed about LA in the 90's does not understand why LaBonge would focus on areas outside Hollywood. It seems to me like the economic class is a necessary explanation here. FYI I know very little about LA. The Times article directly states that areas outside Hollywood had more "conservative, Anglo homeowners who are also considered more likely to support Riordan for mayor" (Riordan being a fairly conservative candidate in terms of Los Angeles politics). Would you want me to add that? "During the campaign, Portillo accused Goldberg's campaign of spreading rumors about his arrest nine years earlier by an undercover policeman in a whispering campaign, and publicly disclosed this information to address the allegations. However, Goldberg's campaign denied these claims" - Verified "deciding against pursuing an appointment process" -- verified "She clarified that she intended to serve only the remainder of his term if appointed but expressed the possibility of running in a special election if she were not appointed." -- verified; however FN50 covers a notable desire in her district for latino representation and Goldberg's response with endorsement from latino leaders. I think this should be covered. FN51 could also be cited for the fact quoted. Added more context. "In August 2023, Goldberg announced that she would be retiring from the board in 2024 and stepping away from electoral politics" -- verified "As president, she focused on making meetings understandable and accessible to the public, explaining how the board conducted its business, and ensuring that meetings and public comments started on time" -- verified
	2c. it contains no original research.	I see no issues here
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	copyvivo looks good
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	The section "LAUSD Board of Education" does not talk about her 2019 and later service ? I originally had it in the same section, but I later placed it in a separate section to make it in order. Do you suggest me to place it back in "LAUSD Board of Education" or rename "Retirement and return to politics" to include the LAUSD? A bit of both, put most of the detail in the LAUSD section and in the return just summarize what was already said This doesn't really help me know what you want, do you want me to put it all in "LAUSD Board of Education"? Yes, and then the retirement might require some more editing. I moved it and put the retirement in "Personal life", although I could always move it back to a section (or do it after she re-retires by November) "Goldberg being more liberal and LaBonge being more conservative in the race." Is there really nothing more notable to say about the differences in their campaigns? Added more context. I think "diverse" is unclear here. A reasonable reader will wonder: are they economically diverse, geographically, ethnically or some combination of those? Added the word "ethnically" as its how it was described in the L.A. Times article. On the city council for six years and there are only two sentences of notable information? A lot happened in LA in the 90's I suspect there is more to say. I'll have to come back to this tomorrow. Did she have any role in the election to fill her spot on the city council? If her brother is was running I would except she had some notable stance about that. I'll have to come back to this tomorrow. I looked through a bunch of newspaper sources and they don't seem to mention that Goldberg did anything for her brother during the election. What about FN41? That's about the assembly race, and mostly about Christine Chavez (the "family ties" being her relation to Cesar Chavez). "Goldberg's campaign was using his arrest" - what does 'using' mean here ? Added more context. "bill for textbooks favored by teachers" what does this mean? Funds to buy the textbooks? Giving teachers more say in which textbooks are bought? Is it a non-binding resolution? Added more context for what it is. "After she termed out, she was succeeded by labor organize" did she have a notable role in this election? I added the candidate who was defeated by de Leon that Goldberg endorsed. "Despite this, Goldberg defeated Martinez Duran and was re-elected to a second term" - earlier she said she only wanted one term I would think some explanation of the change is notable? Earlier, it said that she would serve the remainder of the term if she was appointed. I've added more context to say that she was open to running in elections if there wasn't an appointment. "she focused on making meetings understandable and accessible to the public" what does focused mean? Does it mean she said she was focused on that or that she actually did something? Added more on what she did, from the L.A. Times article on what she did as board president.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	"Goldberg faced opposition from Manhattan Beach businessman Bill Bloomfield" - is the source of the attacks against her notable? Added more context. For electoral results, the swing column seems like it will just confuse readers and holds very little information. Similar thing for the position column, if she won does that not mean she had first position? I really only copied what was on other pages (eg. Kevin Kiley (politician) and John Duarte (politician)). Los Angeles elections have multiple candidates and some can finish 5th, 10th, 15th, but you can be second and be able to advance to the primary and get first, this goes for getting first in the primary and placing second in the runoff. The swing is there for the partisan elections (even if she was in a heavily Democratic district). Ok, I presume this article is of primary interest to LA residents who would be more familiar with this sort of thing. We do not have run off elections where I live.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Excellent, here is one example "While in the City Council, Goldberg introduced a motion to extend health insurance coverage to unmarried domestic partners of city employees, a decision that drew criticism for its timing, given the city's ongoing budget deficit." From FN6, potentially add some paraphrase of "But achievement remains low for many of low-income, immigrant or minority students--a fact Goldberg lists among her disappointments." Added a sentence from that.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Basically stable. There is some of what appears to be vandalism from IP users. As a due diligence for the review I would like to confirm a few things. Is she a practicing Jew? Is this a notable part of her life? What mention need be made of this? For reference I thought the Trotsky page gave a good example of how to cover this for political figures that happen to be of Jewish decent but do not practice and Judaism does not play a major role in their life I'll come back to this tomorrow. I covered it because the LA Times article covered it. Most sources don't seem to mention it as a major thing, although this article says that she's a member of the Sholem Educational Institute community organization. Should I mention that? No, but I commend your research. I think the article is fair on this point as is. Double check the number of votes she got in the 2019 election Checked and added another source for the primary.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Creative commons and public domain
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	yes
	7. Overall assessment.

This is WIP I will add more and strikethrough as you make changes and I get more time.