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I want to Add Some Information regarding Name its Native Name

K2, also known as /Qogir, Ketu/Kechu, and Mount Godwin-Austen.In Local Balti Language K2 is called Chhogori (Urdu:چھوغوری) (Balti/Tibetan Script: ཆོ་གོ་རི།). The name that the people of Baltistan gave K-2 long before the first western explorer and map-maker arrived in this region was Chhogho Ri — Great Mountain. Towering far above every other snow-laden peak, the mountain was given as apt a name as possible. Here it was, visible from afar from so many vantage points frequented by shepherds and hunters, flying its plume of spindrift in the 150 knot winds that whipped its virgin crest. Blindingly white in the midday sun, it would turn the colour of burnished gold as the hunter on a distant ridge gathered up his bow and quiver and humped the ibex he had bagged just as the sun readied to dip below the western crags. Not wrongly did they, who live beneath it, call it Chhogho Ri. Salman Rasheed writes in its book Apricot Road to China. "British surveyors were to one day demystify its Balti name into unromantic, uninspiring K-2. With one flourish of a surveyor’s pen, the majestic Chhogho Ri became known by that utterly unbecoming combination of a single letter of the alphabet and a number. It was ever more chastening that mapmakers of the Raj degraded the Great Mountain to a station lower than a much inferior peak."

Obviously I oppose the changes in the recent attempts by User:Anchan Balti. In addition, I have expressed some doubt and criticism regarding the source and its author well over three years ago, back when I was still a little green as a WP editor. Does anyone feel this source and the others cited above (or below) are suitable? If so, I wouldn't be entirely opposed to some small expansion on the background of the Chhogori name, as long as it's done in accordance with WP:UNDUE. Also, maybe even a short mention of the dissatisfaction some local people have towards the modern name would be OK? One could make the argument it would be useful as an offset to the praise the modern name receives in the last paragraph of the current 'Name' section. Again, assuming it doesn't give undue weight and we are OK with the sources provided.

Beyond that, I remain opposed to the majority of the proposed changes. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 01:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't think this information needs to be in the lead, certainly. If it was rewritten - the content as proposed is rife with spelling and grammar errors, and the parts that aren't sound like they were taking word-for-word from the source - I could support a bit of inclusion in its own section. However, I think we've already got what needs to be there: "The name Chogori, derived from two Balti words, chhogo ("big") and ri ("mountain") (شاہگوری) has been suggested as a local name, but evidence for its widespread use is scant." NekoKatsun (talk) 22:10, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

EDIT TO ADD: I also looked into the Urdu mispelling that was mentioned by Anchan (چھوغوری versus شاہگوری). The spelling as given in the article (شاہگوری) returns 700+ Google results, mostly about K2. The proposed 'correction' (چھوغوری) returns exactly nine hits. Based on this, I'm led to believe that what's currently in the article is correct. NekoKatsun (talk) 22:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

@NekoKatsun: Agree. Yes, add WP:COPYVIO, certainly, to the list of reasons why the proposed revision is clearly out of the question. Even if the changes were copy-edited, properly sourced and rewritten in someone's own words, the sheer volume of text devoted to the native name would be unacceptable, as you have implied. I have been linking WP:UNDUE, but that's probably not the best thing to call it. It's just too much detail about a single point. As I said above, only a very small expansion of what we already have is the most that could be gained from this, if anything at all. Thanks for the information on the Urdu spelling btw. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 23:09, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

@NekoKatsun: and @Racerx11: Most people misspelled the word Chhoghori on internet because they were not native Balti Speakers. I am native Balti speaker. (شاہگوری) is not correct spelling if you found wrong spelling on internet more than correct spelling it does not mean its valid. For spelling you have to learn Urdu and Balti so that you can understand it. Most foreign writers can't pronounce Balti language. It is a branch of Tibetan language and Urdu and English writer can't pronounce it. Like French can't pronounce T. I had also added Tibetan script. شاہگوری spelling in English is Shah Gori and چھوغوری in English is Chhogho ri. But the problem is here you people neither can write Urdu nor Balti so you people are unable to understand my point of view and can't disapprove my point of view on solid argument. Therefore respect my point of view as a Native Balti speaker and change. Again saying if wrong spelling found more than correct spelling by non Balti speaker it does not prove. Only one writer Salman Rasheed clearly pronounced and mentioned in his book "Apricot Road to Yarkand". I want to add this: (English:Chhoghori) (Balti/Tibetan scrpit: ཆོ་གོ་རི) (Urdu:چھوغوری). Thanks

@NekoKatsun: and @Racerx11: (English:Chhoghori) (Balti/Tibetan scrpit: ཆོ་གོ་རི) (Urdu:چھوغوری) This is the correct spelling.

@NekoKatsun: and @Racerx11: Try it on Google Translate for your satisfaction. Although google doesn't spell 100%. But if write separately then you will understand. Shah =شاہ and gori=گوری. so شاہگوری= Shah Gori in English but is not Shah Gori its Chhoghori which is spelled as چھوغوری .Try it here you will get answer why I am dissatisfied with this misspelled word. http://urdu.changathi.com/

@Anchan Balti: These changes were made with out any consensus. We have a discussion started now and your proposed changes remain disputed at the moment. Please undo your latest edits. And please, would you mind signing your posts from now on so we know who's who in this discussion? Your above posts will make it difficult for a editor arriving in the middle of this, to follow what's going on. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 15:12, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

@Racerx11: would you mind to check whether Chhoghori is spelled correctly or not Check it here write Chhoghori and see the result in Urdu and compare my edits. If its false you can undo it. Urdu. Thanks. Anchan Balti (talk) 15:39, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

@Anchan Balti: I have no opinion on the spelling. If all you wanted to do is make a spelling correction, I would have never reverted you and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. You have written me two separate post stating how because I don't speak Urdu I would not be able to understand if you are correct or not. That's true. So how am I now supposed to make a decision on the spelling? Yeah you have a source. That's not the only way you've seen it spelled in reliable sources, is it? Honestly, I don't care how it's spelled. My problem is with the weight and prominence you want to give the name. Currently, it is still weighted a little too heavy in the intro and it's the only alternate name given in the infobox. I don't think it should be that way. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 16:05, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Would you be okay if I tweaked what you have in the lead so Chhoghori is only mentioned once? May I also remove the mention entirely from the infobox? If it's left in there, it's only going to attract someone else to place all the other alternate name in there with it, and that just becomes a mess in my opinion. Is that fine? Changing the intro a bit and remove mention from infobox is all want to do right now. OK? --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 16:16, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

@Racerx11: May main poiny is its correct spelling in Urdu that is چھوغوری and there are no alternate name except Balti name Chhoghori and Uoghur name Qogir and Chinese Chongo Li these chinese names also derived from Balti name Chhoghori. There is no meaning in their language. If you don't change چھوغوری then I have no problem whether specify on infobox or not.

Great:) I have decided to only change the infobox, removing the name from there. I am leaving the rest as is for now, pending further input from other editors. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 19:08, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

@Anchan Balti: and @Racerx11:: You're completely right, Anchan, I don't speak Urdu at all - and I am leery of using Google Translate to back up anything, what with how hilariously inaccurate it can be. Updating the infobox spelling and leaving the rest alone is fine with me. NekoKatsun (talk) 15:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

References

Name

As Someone requested here. He is right that in local Balti Language K2 is called Chhoghori which is pronounced as چھوغوری in Urdu. I am Balti speaker from Baltistan. Repalce شاہگوری as چھوغوری . چھوغوری is correct spelling in Urdu. Thanks Reference http://www.skardu.pk/k2-choghori/ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:K2&action=edit&section=new http://odysseuslahori.blogspot.com/2014/03/MuztaghPassExpedition.html

 Already done -- BZTMPS ★ · (talk? contribs?) 16:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Early History of K2

The article is wrong to say that Montgomerie 'surveyed' K2. He sketched it and Masherbrum from a telescope sighting at a distance of approx. 220km. The mountain was properly surveyed and its height precisely determined by Henry Haversham Godwin-Austen (1834-1923) in 1860. He was the first to explore many of the glaciers in this area. (His explorations stretched from the Hispar Glacier to the Aksai Chin.) His very detailed survey of K2 was made from a point approx. 1000m above Urdukas. The detail can be found in my biography of Godwin-Austen (the first and only biography authorized by the family), 'The K2 Man (and His Molluscs):the Extraordinary Life of Haversham Godwin-Austen'. Catherine Moorehead~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.208.3 (talk) 16:35, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

 Not done Read short article by Nature (journal). They also did not mention that Godwin was first to survey it, they have mentioned During this survey Godwin-Austen fixed the position and heights of many of the giant peaks of the Kara-korums, including K2, which had been previously discovered by Montgomerie.--Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  14:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: I have done some research, there is a point in your rationale. It is about who has done detailed "survey", I will look into this matter and I will surely edit that section accordingly. There is already names of Godwin and Montgomerie in that section, we just have to rearrange it. Thanks for raising this issue. I will suggest you to create account on Wikipedia, once you completes 4 days and 10 edits then you can edit this article too. --Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  15:31, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2015

Numbers of summit ascents ON k2= 306 Numbers of death on k2= 81 As of 2013 Maudedufortl (talk) 02:10, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 03:52, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Name

In local Balti Language K2 is called Chhoghori which is pronounced as چھوغوری in Urdu. But it is misspelled here.

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

there's some nicknames not listed like Killer Mountain and The Mountain with No Name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 (talk) 13:42, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

K2 early History

Disappointing to see that the correct early history of K2 has not yet been applied to the main article. The following corrections are needed: 1) There is no evidence whatsoever that the native name Chhogori was applied before Godwin-Austen's survey in 1861. 2) Montgomerie noted the peak in 1856, from the Deosai Plateau, but did not survey it. 3) K2's position was geographically first defined, and its height first calculated by Haversham Godwin-Austen in August 1861. 4) Although his name in full was Henry Haversham Godwin-Austen, he was always called Haversham by family, friends and colleagues.

You will find detailed evidence for all of the above in my biography of Godwin-Austen, 'The K2 Man', In Pinn, Glasgow, 2013.

Please set the record straight, once and for all!

Catherine Moorehead ~ ~ ~ ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.230.229 (talk) 21:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2015

K2 is located in POK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir ) region. Webassassin (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

- As the article already states:-

K2 is located in Gilgit–Baltistan, a region which along with Azad Kashmir forms Pakistan-administered Kashmir. The Kashmir region is currently the center of a territorial dispute between Pakistan and India. India maintains a territorial dispute on Pakistan-administered Kashmir. Likewise, Pakistan maintains a territorial dispute on Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian-administered part of the region.

Arjayay (talk) 15:39, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Gilgit-Baltistan territory wrongly mentioned in Pakistan

In the article, the Gilgit-Baltistan, so Mount K2 also, is mentioned as territory of Pakistan. However, it is not so. It is a disputed territory and illegally occupied by Pakistan. By all records and treaty, It belongs to India. Also, The Mount K2 is the highest peak of India, not Pakistan because it does not come under the territory of Pakistan. So, it would be more appropriate to make following changes.

1)Replace 'Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan' to Gilgit-Baltistan, India.
2)Replace "...highest point in Pakistan" to "...highest point in India".

Please make these appropriate changes in the whole article.

103.27.8.42 (talk) 11:08, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: This wording seems to have been arrived at on Talk:Azad Kashmir. Feel free to look through the archives to see how consensus was reached Cannolis (talk) 11:28, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

I want that talk to be reopened. It was not adequately represented from both the sides and in the 'talk' mentioned above, there was no consensus reached.

If you read newspaper, The Ministry of External Affairs, India recently said Gilgit-Baltistan is an integral part of India.

Pakistan has also said recently that the issue is unresolved.

So, how can you mention this, straightly that the region belongs to a particular country?

This is wrong and totally wrong. There should be discussion and the page should be suspended till the consensus is reached in that talk.

This is not the place to discuss whether Gilgit-Baltistan belongs to India or Pakistan. This is an article about a mountain. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:50, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Iranian and foreign climbers summit only had one seat in 1998 without climbing equipment with empty hands upward to the dangerous peaks were heroic. The two men were old Arash Abbasi and Muhammad Ali Marzban of the expedition. It should be noted that the group's next goal was to climb Mount Meru in India, which also had a successful climb. Doubles Group decrepit mountain climbing among 58 peaks over 6,000 meters in height which have climbed 39 peaks that was unique in history. During the trip Hychhayk old double expedition in the Pacific Ocean passed by a violent storm at age 38, said farewell

There is no any conseus what is mentioned.AZAD KASHMIR is self proclaimed just like what ISIS has claimed. K2 is integral part of india. Ypsingh92 (talk) 07:54, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Last remaining 8000m peak not summited in winter

Since recent ascent my Simone Moro's team of Nanga Parbat in Winter, it's important to mention - perhaps in the introduction - that K2 is the last of the 8000m peaks to remain unclimbed in winter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.240.200.15 (talk) 22:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2016

59.91.243.132 (talk) 06:54, 15 April 2016 (UTC) India-China border not pakistan-China border

 Not done - ownership of Gilgit–Baltistan is disputed, but is de facto an administrative territory of Pakistan. - Arjayay (talk) 09:25, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Undo of references changes

I do not understand why Anchan Balti undid all of my references changes. He has reverted w/o any comments. His changes lost much of the expansions I made and converted template uses back to non-template format. Makes little sense to me. RedWolf (talk) 23:10, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

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2012 Summits

Casually, the article mentions that a Polish team summitted 28 people in 2012, at the same time. There's a source, and perhaps it's true - although I can't find all that much coverage of it on the internet. It seems an unusually large number, the kind of thing that would have books written about it. Was it just a very fortunate year? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

How many people have died in k2?

I have to write this for homework and I don't know how many people have died on k2 please help Unknown.lol (talk) 11:47, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

It is mentioned in the lead section, citing [1]. Gap9551 (talk) 18:11, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2017

hello — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali1236583664 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2017

It is more difficult and hazardous to reach the peak of K2 from the Chinese side; thus, it is usually climbed from the Kashmiri side.

This made more sense when it read "it is climbed from the Pakistani side". Like China, Kashmir does not exist as an independent entity on the world map. Usama Muneeb (talk) 23:57, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:06, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2018

location = India (Jammu and Kashmir), China 49.248.122.162 (talk) 09:38, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 19:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2018

map = Pakistan#Gilgit Baltistan#China Xinjiang#Asia 49.248.122.162 (talk) 09:43, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 19:52, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

K2 early History

K2 was first surveyed in August 1861 by Haversham Godwin-Austen, from a spur of Masherbrum above Urdukas, about 1000m above the Baltoro Glacier. It was this survey which established the mountain's height and location.

Godwin-Austen's first names are 'Henry Haversham', but is known in the family as 'Haversham'.

Included in the bibliography should be my biography of Godwin-Austen, 'The K2 Man (and his Molluscs)', by Catherine Moorehead, In Pinn, Glasgow, 2013. It describes in detail the work of Godwin-Austen and the early Indian Survey work on K2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.12.53 (talk) 03:24, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

"Kangchenjunga 2" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2020

There is a obvious typo in Climbing history > Winter expeditions section.

It is: "However, Denis Urubku reported" It should be: "However, Denis Urubko reported" Welpa (talk) 15:19, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2020

k2 is in India and not in Pakistan 2405:204:1207:FC6B:155D:56D:A0B9:E6AB (talk) 07:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Not done, has previously been discussed here and on Talk:Gilgit-Baltistan. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Need more climbing history

There is no mention of first climbers who summited without supplemental oxygen which is a huge accomplishment. As far as I can tell, it was first done in 1978 by either Louis Reichardt or John Roskelley, both Americans. There apparently some debate over it. In 1979 it was done by Reinhold Messner and Michael Dacher. The first woman to climb K2 without oxygen tanks was Wanda Rutkiewicz, Polish, in 1986. I don't have access to original sources for citations, most of it comes from other wikipedia articles.

References

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2020

K2 is not present in Pakistan, it is present in Pakistan occupied Kashmir, which means it is a part of India,but currently under control of Pakistan. Please refer to UN resolution for Pakistan occupied Kashmir for reference. Land belongs to India, hence its not right to call its presence in Pakistan. 2402:3A80:108E:4886:C8EE:E80C:55AA:2E3F (talk) 18:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

See Talk:Gilgit-Baltistan – Thjarkur (talk) 19:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Here is official map of India by UN. Please try finding K2 in it. https://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/india.pdf

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2020

Hello ! Please change

"Although the summit of Everest is at a higher altitude, K2 is a more difficult and dangerous climb, due in part to its more inclement weather and comparatively greater height from base to peak." (is incorrect as K2 base camp is around 3500 meters below the summit, and Everest South and North base camps are respectively 3500 and 3700 meters below.)

to

"Although the summit of Everest is at a higher altitude, K2 is a more difficult and dangerous climb, due in part to its more inclement weather" Machinechance (talk) 14:36, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Machinechance any source to verify this ? Cedix (talk) 19:10, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everest_base_camps

https://www.mountainkingdoms.com/holiday/k2-base-camp-trek

--Machinechance (talk) 20:30, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

 Question: Machinechance I have a hard time comprehending your request. You request is Although the summit of Everest is at a higher altitude, K2 is a more difficult and dangerous climb, due in part to its more inclement weather and comparatively greater height from base to peak. Your reason is ...incorrect as K2 base camp is around 3500 meters below the summit, and Everest South and North base camps are respectively 3500 and 3700 meters below. Can you explain how the sources you provided support your request. Please quote from the sources. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 18:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

If you had a hard time comprehending my request you will probably not understand more from this answer. No source backs my request, simply because no reliable source backs the info I detected as fake. Only maths, and trusting the infos on the camps' altitudes and summit heights, can back my request: (rounded to) 8850 (Everest's height) minus 3700 equals to 5150 versus 8611 (K2's height) minus (rounded to) 3500 equals to 5117 (K2 base camp altitude). If that is true, therefore the bit "[K2's] comparatively greater height from base to peak [than Everst's]" is false.

Machinechance (talk) 13:29, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The link you provided does not appear reliable. Please provide a link to (preferably) a secondary source. Aasim 21:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Machinechance, please see the policy on original research and the policy on reliable sources. We don't use our own interpretation of sources, even interpretations as trivial as simple calculations. In this case, the usage of other Wikipedia articles to calculate a higher base to summit height is a good example of why not. Base to summit height has different meanings and you've selected the mountaineering usage (reasonably enough) but there is also the topographical meaning. See Topographic prominence for more. As the body text makes clear the claim of greater base to summit height is correct for K2 in terms of prominence. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:17, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your time and effort answering. Sorry if I ultimately realize how wrong I was, but one of us has to be very, very wrong ! Since the disputed bit I mentioned is about how difficult K2 is compared to Everest, the mountaineering usage is the only reason for comparing the respective heights from base to summit. If that part were about Mount Everest's prominence, that is 8848 meters, and if we agree that K2's prominence is 4020 = 4828 meters lower, then the mistake I claim to have detected would be very gross.

Machinechance (talk) 00:35, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and take this out as requested. I didn't exhaustively check all the sources, but I don't see this backed up in the article anywhere and didn't trip over any obvious source material that backs it either. As such, it seems like WP:OR to leave it in, whether or not there's a source that can be cited to directly disprove what's there. Courtesy pings @Can I Log In and Eggishorn: who responded previously. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 20:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020

K2 peak mountain range shares border between India and Pakistan. Siachen Glacier mountain ranges shares india and china. There is a land dispute between India and Pakistan. As per British land allocation. Record states that K2 belongs to kashmirian king's présidencial zamin(land). Due to heavy ice glaciers. The place wasn't suitable for vegetation. So, the king neglected the region for plantations. Place was ideal for only in peak summer. So, The king surrendered land due to unstable governance and joined with Indian Union. So, the land belongs to India. (Balisitan) and other names kept later occupied by Pakistan. Keyansnow (talk) 19:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Materials also available. Keyansnow (talk) 19:14, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: See the previous declined requests for this same change. RudolfRed (talk) 19:27, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Where does k2 belong ?

As history says gilgit-balistan was given to the Government of India by King hari singh of Kashmir at the time of independence of India. K2 is situated in gilgit-balistan region of kashmir. So its clearly belong to the India Nisharth00 (talk) 08:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Gilgit-Baltistan is administered by Pakistan. The article mentions the fact that there is a territorial dispute, and the dispute is discussed in more detail in the articles Gilgit-Baltistan and Kashmir, and probably elsewhere as well. This is an article about a mountain, not about a territorial claim, so a mention of it is sufficient here. --bonadea contributions talk 08:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

A similar problem is the reference to it being on the China border. The north of the mountain is actually on the disputed Trans-Karakoram Tract. Onceinawhile (talk) 23:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2021

K2/gilgit-baltistan is illegally occupied by pakistan but is not in pakistan and only a very biased pakistani would spread this misinformation. It is in pakistan-occupied jammu, kashmir, gilgit and baltistan. At the very least it should be put as pakistan-administered kashmir as labelled globally. 2A00:23C4:9482:FB00:898A:2B51:E9C1:6EDC (talk) 12:57, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:56, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Winter 2021 ascent - nationality of team?

Regarding Winter 2021 ascent: all 10 climbers that summited where Nepalese, and that is mentioned in the sources. Nine of the 10 were Sherpa people. But the entire team was international in nature: apparently the full expedition was a collection of 40 to 60 climbers from many nations. None of the non-Nepalese climbers made it to the top (yet ... apparently many are still there and still trying). So, I think the wording should say that the expedition/team was "international" (or omit a nationality entirely); but the summit group was Nepalese. Make sense? Noleander (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

True, In fact all climbers at BC were 4 groups with 3 permits: 1: Nirmal Purja : Nims plus six Nepalis/Sherpas in support, one client looking to experience lower K2 : on permit international SST K-2 Winter Expedition. 2: Mingma Gyalje Sherpa: three people: Lela's Nepalese K-2 Winter expedition 3: Chhang Dawa Sherpa: 49 person commercial team with 22 clients and 27 Sherpas in support: International SST K-2 Winter Expedition 4: John Snorri Sigurjonsson with Muhammad Ali Sadpara and son: Iceland K-2 Winter expedition

Summit group consisted of 3 groups: 1: Nims's Team: Nirmal Purja, Gelje Sherpa, Mingma David Sherpa, Mingma Tenzi Sherpa, Dawa Temba Sherpa, Pem Chhiri Sherpa. 2: Mingma G’s team: Mingma Gyalje Sherpa, Kilu Pemba Sherpa, Dawa Tenjing Sherpa. 3: Dawa's team(SST): Sona Sherpa

But also true, make sense? Frans Ver (talk) 11:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

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Wrong info

Gilgit and K2 are definitely in Pakistan and not in India. Do you need Indian visa or Pakistani visa to visit them? It doesn't matter what India claims. Pakistan also claims that the whole India from Amritsar to Kochi and Ahmadabad to Kolkata belongs to Pakistan. Does it mean that Pakistanis should also start vandalizing Wikipedia pages and Wikipedia talk pages with claims like "New Delhi is illegally occupied by India and belongs to Pakistan"? The fact remains fact i-e K2 is in Pakistan and belongs to Pakistan. If someone has any issue, force the United Nations and rest of the world admit that K2 is in India. ArsalanJ (talk) 07:27, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Gilgit is not in pakistan it is in india, currently illegitimately occupied by pakistan so please don't spread such wrong info. Pankajpk47 (talk) 07:27, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Gilgit is not in pakistan it is in india, currently illegitimately occupied by pakistan so please don't spread such wrong info. Pankajpk47 (talk) No.1bonhomie (talk) 10:11, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

tell them about this

Srijan Suryansh 12:47, 13 February 2020 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srijansuryansh (talk • contribs)  

Yes this is true information. Nisharth00 (talk) 08:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I am Agree with @Pankajpk47. Actually Gilgit is not a part of Pakistan. Gilgit is part of India but occupied by Pakistan. The K2 mountain is in POK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir). So @Wikipedia need to correct the information about K2 and Gilgit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.236.26.14 (talk) 07:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Height Precision

Small thing that seems obvious to me, but I got reverted so here goes. The point of listing Everest’s height in the lead is as a comparison to K2. As such, they should be comparable numbers with roughly the same level of precision. It is just needless clutter to specify the height to the cm level when the K2 figure does not (I assume it’s height has never been measured to that specificity?) I believe the Everest height should be rounded to the nearest metre in the lead. Comments? Somatochlora (talk) 10:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, of course the Everest figure is absurd, but apparently it has been agreed by some politicians, so good luck getting anything past the Wikilawyers. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:55, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I have reverted their edit and left the following message on their talk page, "It is not appropriate to delve into excessive details in the lead paragraph of a WP article. See WP:SS. You may add the two-decimal-place precision in a later section, but not to the lead. Rounding to whole numbers Is more appropriate there, especially in the instance of the sentence providing secondary information, i.e. the height of another peak. Per WP:BRD, please take to the talk page, Talk:K2, if you must, and reach consensus there for your version; but please do not engage in further edit-warring." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:45, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

K2 - Climbing history - Winter expeditions - 2021 - February 4th expedition.

(Work in progress) This should be an addition to the main article, under Climbing history; Winter expeditions; 2021.

On the evening of February the 4th, 2021, Ali Sadpara, Wikipedia Ísland - John Snorri Sigurjónsson, Wikipedia Español - Juan Pablo Mohr and Sajid Sapara set off from Bottleneck. They were expecting to reach Summit in about 15 to 16 hours. On Friday morning (February 5th) at approx. 5am, local time, the fourth member, Sajid Sapara had troubles with his oxygen supply and returned to Bottleneck. As of the last known posted news update via Icelandic newspaper Vísir, none of the climbers have been heard from in 72 hours.(Vísir; Manually translated English title: Hope has dwindled) (published February 7th, at 10:04pm GMT-0)

Sources - Last posted article - Vísir 'Vonin hefur dvínað'. (I am Icelandic and can confirm the contents of the article if needed) Last posted article - Vísir 'Vonin hefur dvínað', translated using Google translate.

Out of respect for the family, friends and others, we should refrain from making an official update to the article until any official confirmationn is posted.

Lafi90 (talk) 03:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Please check the url links to web pages in the references 95 and 96. The links directs to web pages with no information about the subject. The first link opens K2 photo. The second link opens the message "The page "/news/2021/02/sadpara_snorri_and_mohr_missing_on_k2_rescue_mission_temporarily_suspended-72708=Sadpara," was not found on this server." What is the purpose to restore dead references? Regards Szelma W (talk) 21:49, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

They're not dead, they were broken (both were missing the "title=" parameter). I've restored it to both links and they're both working now. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 22:06, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Szelma W (talk) 22:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

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K2 is in India, it is in Ladakh region of India

K2 is in India, it is in Ladakh region of India

K2 is in India, it is in Ladakh region of India 2409:4065:D8A:BDA5:A24E:BB3D:A1C1:3749 (talk) 10:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC) K2 is in India, it is in Ladakh region of India

 Not done   It's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:21, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2021

Fake information Mr.per fect dil (talk) 11:30, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

it is in Pakistan occupied region Mr.per fect dil (talk) 11:30, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:37, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2021

Edit - Winter Expedition 2021 paragraph, in the final sentence: please add Juan Pablo Mohr as another climber who lost their life during the Winter expedition. 209.93.41.166 (talk) 22:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2021

Please remove this

It lies in the Karakoram range, in part in the Gilgit-Baltistan region of Pakistan-administered Kashmir and in part in a China-administered territory

and add this

It lies in the Karakoram range, divided between the Gilgit-Baltistan region of Pakistan-administered Kashmir and a China-administered territory

It's simply replacing "in part in...in part in" with "divided between", without affecting the delicate description of who controls what. Thank you. 122.150.71.249 (talk) 04:51, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:15, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I had to revert. Can't really use "divided." Please contrast: "It lies ... divided between" and "It lies ... partially in ..." In the former, the "division" looms larger, which we don't want. Also, when you then add the Karakorums, there is a suggestion that the range itself has been divided. In the context of the Kashmir dispute, it is best not to use charged words like "divided." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:26, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2021

Please use the name "Mingma Gyabu Sherpa" instead of "Mingma Gyalje Sherpa" for crediting the winter ascent, as that's the version of the name that has a wikipedia page.

Mingma Gyalje Sherpa (known as Mingma G) and Mingma Gyabu Sherpa (known as Mingma David Sherpa) are two persons. Mingma Gyalje Sherpa is a leader of Mingma G team. Mingma Gyabu Sherpa is a member of Nirmal Purja's team. Szelma W (talk) 13:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Location of K2

After the demolition of article 370, which has considered Jammu and Kashmir as a part of the Indian territory, there is no such thing called as PoK or china administered region, please make ur facts clear before writing any thing on such a huge social platform 103.51.75.143 (talk) 03:01, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable to support your rant ? - FlightTime (open channel) 03:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

@FlightTime

Google Maps link of K2

The above link shows the peak is completely in the Indian province (Union Territory) of Ladakh. Bunnypranav (talk) 12:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

It's directly on a dotted line, and per Google, "[d]otted and solid lines are also used for country borders and showing disputed borders, etc" (emphasis mine). NekoKatsun (nyaa) 19:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

United Nations hasn't recognized PoK or Aksai Chin as part of Pakistan and China respectively
so it's better to edit K2 as a part of Ladakh

After Revocation article 370 boundaries changed and K2 has gone to union Territory of Ladakh

Het666 (talk) 04:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@103.51.75.143 https://www.pakun.org/kashmir/history.php

UN has recognised Kashmir as a disputed territory. kindly avoid making these false claims. Xtreme o7 (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

First woman on K2 was a Polish climber Wanda Rutkiewicz. Moreover she climbed without oxygen

Add Wanda Rutkiewicz 192.166.202.46 (talk) 00:17, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

What's your reliable source to support this claim? - FlightTime (open channel) 00:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Here is the source: Guinness world records: First ascent of K2 (female). Information about Wanda Rutkiewicz is in the article. Regards Szelma W (talk) 12:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Wanda's already in the article and has been for some time. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 15:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2022

2022 Belarusian-Canadian mountaineer Liliya Ianovskaia (62) became the oldest woman to summit K2 on July 22, 2022 (https://www.8kexpeditions.com/new-and-event/all-8k-members-successfully-scaled-the-world-2nd-highest-mountain-k2-in-pakistan), doing so only 2 months after she summitted Everest together with her daughter Dasha (https://gripped.com/profiles/canadian-mother-daughter-team-summits-everest/). Laura Desmond (talk) 12:11, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You'll need to provide non-blog sources, as the source you provided doesn't meet the threshold for WP:RS. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:17, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, source updated, removing blog link and replacing with news announcement from the expedition agency itself. 65.95.180.93 (talk) 16:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. That's a primary source for an exceptional claim. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:05, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Gripped is a leading Canadian climbing/mountaineering magazine, this article cites K2 summit: https://gripped.com/news/climbers-racing-up-worlds-highest-peaks-for-big-records/ Laura Desmond (talk) 01:51, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2022

(Please add the following to section on recent climbing history 2022 Belarusian-Canadian mountaineer Liliya Ianovskaia (62) became the oldest woman to summit K2 on July 22 , doing so only 2 months after she summitted Everest together with her daughter Dasha as one of only three mother-daughter teams to do so . Laura Desmond (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: I'm finding it difficult to parse what you would like due to there being no separation from your request and the prose you want inserted. Could you rephrase to make it more clear what content is being added and where? —Sirdog (talk) 13:27, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2023

In 2022, Nelly Attar became the first Arab woman to reach the summit of K2 - she is from Lebanon and has a MRes in Psychology. 173.177.254.90 (talk) 12:53, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 14:15, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2023

K2 is in India as per reference of Indian map 202.43.122.15 (talk) 06:01, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

K2

The complete Jammu and Kashmir belongs India only. So K2 and Aksai chin are integral parts of India. 103.88.238.66 (talk) 16:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC) yes above statement is correct , i am ankit and i am telling you that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.151.94.42 (talk) 18:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Prove it. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)