Talk:Kay Griffel

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References[edit]

The article states:

she pursued further studies with Lotte Lehmann at the Music Academy of the West in Santa Barbara.

The reference that it is linked to states (transl. from German):

At age 18 she began studying music education at the Northwestern University Chicago...^[1]

The Music Academy of the West in Santa barbara exists at http://www.musicacademy.org/
The Northwestern University in Chicago exists at http://www.northwestern.edu/

They do not appear to be one and the same organisation. Griffel is shown as one entry (Kay Griffel Voice-Soprano 1958) in a list of 801 alumnae at the MAW. Lehman was cofounder of the MAW but the connection appears to stop there. If Griffel is mentioned in he upcoming Lehman biography by historian Michael Kater, it may help towards asserting notability. Ghits do not appear to provide any truly reliable sources, indeed some carry similar questinable content. As the Griffel article has only one reference, if it is removed for lack of accuracy or reliability and no other reliable, verifiable references per WP:RS and WP:V can be found, the contentious item must be removed from the text, and the page may be proposed for deletion.

Ref.

^ Operissimo (German) Retrieved 2 November 2010

--Kudpung (talk) 02:21, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Um... The article isn't stating that Northwestern University is in Santa Barbara, is the same as the Music Academy of the West, or that Griffel studied with Lehmann at Northwestern. It states that she studied at Northwestern initially and then in Santa Barbara with Lehman. Not really seeing the source as an issue but the content in the wiki article moving slightly beyond the source. However, since you seem to have found some content validating the article's content please add it to the article.4meter4 (talk) 05:32, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added an appropriate ref.4meter4 (talk) 06:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Notability is not in question per the press coverage and her discography [1]. However, I would suggest using the following reliable (print) source which verifies both her date of birth and the fact that she studied with Lotte Lehman in Santa Barbara:
• Hamilton, David and Andris-Michalaros, Aliki (eds.), "Griffel, Kay", The Metropolitan Opera Encyclopedia, Simon and Schuster, 1987, p. 148. ISBN 067161732X
I'd add it myself, but I don't want to mess up the current referencing format. I find those {{Cite book}} etc. templates very fiddly and never use 'em.
References for her husband's name, Eckart Sellheim (not "Eckard" as spelled in the WP article and Operissimo), can be found in these pre-1985 sources but this indicates he is now married to someone else. I'd leave him out of the article altogether. Voceditenore (talk) 09:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Operissimo (German) Retrieved 2 November 2010

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