Talk:Khalid Abdul Muhammad

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"Brotha, did you forget your name?"[edit]

From Freedom by Rage Against The Machine:

Brotha, did ya forget ya name?
Did ya lose it on the wall
Playin' tic-tac-toe?
Yo, check the diagonal
Three brothers gone
Come on
Doesn't that make it three in a row?

Where's the evidence for the article's assertion that "Brotha, did you forget your name?" is a reference to Muhammad's speech, rather than a coincidence? The song's official music video strongly suggests it's about Native American genocide, not the African diaspora. Las tortugas (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:31, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sources?[edit]

We seriously need some sources on this page. The speech section must have taken a large amount of time to compile, but without sources it means nothing. I'm not quite sure where you found these excerpts, but if you could please cite these that would be great! :) I'll be working on finding these sources too, but don't know quite where to start. Canutethegreat (talk) 20:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I edited a statement here that said that Muhammad's speech in San Fransisco State demanded that Jews, gays, etc. be "killed." There is no doubt that Muhammad was critical of these groups. But, the footnote number 4, which leads to an ADL article says nothing about "killing" anyone in that speech. The editor of this page undermines the integrity of this entry when citations are not valid. Please (1) provide direct citation for demanding that these people be killed or (2) leave that spurious comment off. You otherwise provide easy example of how these entries are little more than polemic, non-verifiable posts without controls or standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.184.128.111 (talk) 14:40, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Does anybody have any information about Muhammad’s education? His followers constantly refer to him as “Dr. Khalid,” but I can’t find any information about where he earned a doctorate and in what area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.182.192.251 (talk) 15:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

a gifted orator???[edit]

just like those who speak at kkk rallies? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.102.19.127 (talk) 00:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Belief has nothing to do with charisma. Klichka (talk) 20:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree; however, the anonymous user has a point as well. The statement is unsourced and obviously highly-subjective and POV. --RucasHost (talk) 11:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

why does the article begin with the title ex-felon.seems a little bias to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daverich313 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The man was an exfelon, and an evil POS. It's not biased at all99.230.234.79 (talk) 06:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the insurance fraud line should be the first sentence in the article. It should be covered in the personal information or something, but definitely not the summary in the first paragraph. If that is the case, every other biography in wikipedia should be updated to include crimes (both minor and major) in the opening paragraph. He was not known because of the insuance fraud, he was known for his speeches for the NOI and post-NOI. Inf fg (talk) 20:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The first paragraph SHOULD summarize who he was before he achieved infamy as a genocidal racist. And that is that he was an ex-felon. I agree that any other marginal figure of his ilk who have no other prior career but that of a criminal should be summarized the same way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 17.255.240.134 (talk) 03:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling Error First line[edit]

It's Khalid, not Khallid

needs explanation??[edit]

"Muhammad believed the shooting was a part of a conspiracy against him."

This needs to be justified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greensalad82 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

felon[edit]

Why must it be stated that he is an ex-felon? Marty Markowitz was arrested (making him a criminal) for failing to disclose a campaign contribution. Do we include this on Martys page? Of course we should but then the flame/revert wars will begin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.74.209 (talk) 00:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC) When an individual has done nothing in terms of a career other than criminality than that person can be summarized as a criminal. A felony conviction rises higher than mere brushes with the law and is a significant thing to state. Yes the arrest of Marty Markowitz should be stated- anyone who disagrees that important events like arrests should be included wouldn't have much of an argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 17.255.240.134 (talk) 02:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree completely. I'm not saying take it out of the article, but it definitely should not be the first line of the article nor in the introductory paragraph. I would rather we reach a consensus on this instead of changing anything myself leading to a barrage of comments afterwards. Inf fg (talk) 14:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, does anyone have a source for this insurance fraud conviction? I can't seem to find one.Inf fg (talk) 14:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source for the insurance fraud information is from one of the most prominent publications on earth- Newsweek magazine. Specificly a 1999 article on KAM called "The itinerant activist". I think that there should be less concern about protecting the image of a destructive genocidal racist who happens to have been Black in the new age we are in post Nov 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 17.255.240.134 (talk) 03:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Write it into the story of his life, with information about when and where it happened, and cite a reliable source. If Newsweek, cite the issue number, publication date, and article title. That way, anyone with access to a library carrying Newsweek can verify your information. --Alvestrand (talk) 11:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Don't be ignorant. It's his biography. He was a felon, therefore it should go into his biography. You just don't want it in there because it's inconvenient. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.4.4 (talk) 00:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

TYPICAL BYIST[edit]

It is not at all encyclopedic to have in the introdoctory sentence, no in the first few words, "He was an ex-fellon". Perhaps we should say the same of Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams, and even those who illegally dumped tea in Boston. Furthermore, since all insurance is a fraud, than if Khalid was convicted of insurance fraud would not that make his just?

Wiki says this is a protected article, but how can there be a doubt that the editor-in-cheif, of this page has a grudge against Khalid, or ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.89.159 (talk) 02:25, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You raise a good point. The first sentence shouldn't say that Muhammad was an ex-felon. In the future, please use the edit summary to explain your edits. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 02:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is no "editor-in-chief" for Wikipedia pages. BTW, the history doesn't seem to say that it was ever protected. --Alvestrand (talk) 11:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's bias or biased, don't be ignorant. You're on a computer, use spell check.

It's his biography. He was a felon, therefore it should go into his biography. You just don't want it in there because it's inconvenient. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.4.4 (talk) 00:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there nothing in here about him being a convicted felon?[edit]

I can understand why it shouldn't be in the first line, but it should be somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.179.99 (talk) 04:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because none of the various IPs who added this information cited a reference. One claimed that it had been stated in Newsweek, but did not provide an issue number. --Alvestrand (talk) 11:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The reference is- Newsweek September14, 1998 "The Man Behind The Million Youth March" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.115.155.131 (talk) 00:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the article. It mentions Muhammad's fraud conviction in passing, without any details, which means that it's undue weight to put it in the first sentence of the article.
Muhammad wasn't famous for being a former criminal. He was known for being a racist and antisemite, and because of his association with the Nation of Islam and the New Black Panther Party. I'm going to shorten the sentence to report what the source says, and I'm going to move it to the appropriate section. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 04:35, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Supremacist?[edit]

Is it so important for the wikijews to brand this dude a "supremacist" that it must be mentioned in the very first sentence?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by EMCEEHOOD (talk • contribs) 18:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is one of the things Muhammad is best-known for. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 19:59, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Best known for by who? By the ADL? Since you're Jewish, I'm sure you hate this man for telling the truth about certain things, but the word "supremacist" isn't that comes to mind first for most people in his own community. I would say Menachem Begin was a "supremacist," would you argue with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EMCEEHOOD (talk • contribs) 04:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikijews? Since you are Jewish? You sir, are a racist asshole. 72.199.100.223 (talk) 20:33, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lets not get into racial bashing. Muhammad should simply be presented as he is. The things about race are more of a side thing in that he was a doctor and national spokesperson who made some controversial remarks. It is not consistent with wikipedia to label people as racist unless they are the leader of the kkk or something. The pope supported mussolini and hitler in ww2, but I don't see no post describing him as the racist white supremiscit he was. The current pope was a nazi member, nazis are white supremiscit, I see no entry describinh him as such. Thomas Jefferson was a racist old white man who owned black slaves and raped black women. This does not make Jefferson racist according to wiki, I see no such entries, so it makes no sense to have an article which outlines every point on race he said that maybe offended some. It is fair to say that most white people before 1950 were racist. You think differently, meet my grandparents who are 1/4 black but deny it because of what others would say in their age group. I dont see all those white folk pre 1950 as racist and most of them are. So the question is why is muhammad being targetted here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.18.213 (talk) 09:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Farrah Gray (Farrakhan Muhammad)[edit]

The current propaganda states that Farrah Gray only saw his father some times, but anyone who follow Khalid Muhammad knows that Farrah Gray was by his father's side during ALL of his public speeches. All one has to do is to watch any speech and you can see him in the background. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.36.81 (talk) 05:57, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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IP edit of 29 December 2021 and my revert[edit]

The IP's edit made major changes without giving any justification. This included changing the estimate of attendance at the ‘Million Youth March’ from 6,000 (per source) to 1 million; the source was also deleted. I know nothing about this man, but the IP's edit looks wrong and tendentious to me, so I have reverted it. Sweet6970 (talk) 11:42, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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