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On 27 June 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from King's Garden (historical) to King's Garden (biblical place). The result of the discussion was moved.

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Something better than a 1889 Bible encyclopedia is needed for the ancient identification of this site. Zero^talk 11:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Hebrew wiki says that many maps on this page mention the King's Garden. Probably there are some conjectural biblical maps, but are there any which show it as an actual place name? I looked at about 20 maps without finding any. Zero^talk 12:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Palestinian settlement"

Here is what Haaretz says:

those who bemoan the Palestinian presence in Al Bustan refer to this neighborhood of about 1,000 residents as "an illegal Palestinian settlement in King David's garden"

EM Gregory takes what Haaretz says those who bemoan a Palestinian presence in occupied Palestinian territory and says that what they say is factually true in Wikipedia's narrative voice. This type of POV-pushing, where Wikipedia accepts the views of those advocating for ethnic cleansing as fact is unacceptable. nableezy - 16:27, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Renaming

This article really should be called "Al Bustan (Jerusalem)" and not "King's Garden (Jerusalem)" ImTheIP (talk) 11:43, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it definitely should. The insane amount of Israeli-centered language and phrasing used here should also be changed to better view both sides of the “controversy” (read: ethnic cleansing). Norabastas (talk) 19:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Activism and encyclopedic spirit don't mix. People find a term and look it up in the encyclopedia. That's how it works. King's Garden is a recurring biblical term. Al-Bustan can show up in the news. Don't mix them! The Israeli plan is not to create a "biblical theme park", so keep King's Garden as an article about the Bible and archaeology, and have al-Bustan as part of the Silwan article or as a stand-alone article, including the plan and controversy. Of course with mutual links. Not useful to anyone to use valid terms as pawns on a board utilised to reinact real political battles. Squash those Zionists? Smash those Palestinian terrorists? Not on Wiki. Write your slogans on cardboard and go demonstrate, or tattoo them onto your forehead, but stay off Wiki. Arminden (talk) 00:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You may add this opinion to the formal discussion on the Silwan talk page if you wish. As I said there, should there be any further objections, preferably from non-canvassed editors but in your case I will not make an issue out of it, then a split is possible. If you do suggest it formally, then please go ahead and do the split/dab.Selfstudier (talk) 12:50, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. As a clearer descriptor of what the article is about. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

King's Garden (historical) → King's Garden (biblical place) – This place name is based on biblical theology. It requires disambiguation because there are other places known as "King's Garden", such as King's Garden (Odense), Denmark. As with other place names where the biblical place name clashes with a modern geography, a suitable biblical disambiguator is added, e.g.: Shiloh (biblical city). There has been an attempt in recent years to tie the name King's Garden to the Al-Bustan neighbourhood in Silwan, East Jerusalem, but as B'Tselem notes in the article: "the exact location and nature of the biblical garden are not known and there are no archeological or other findings in al-Bustan to suggest that this is in fact the location." As such, the location of this place remains in the domain of the largely hypothetical, making the biblical disambiguator only more apt. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Judekkan (talk) 15:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As per nom and the preceding section, this is a biblical reference rather than the Silwan neighborhood of al-Bustan (Kings Garden (Silwan) has related move request pending to Al-Bustan (East Jerusalem)).Selfstudier (talk) 12:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.