Talk:List of Commando raids on the Atlantic Wall

Lead sentence

I added a lead sentence to this article yesterday, which was reverted with the comment "We dont use this list etc for list articles". I imagine this will come as something of a surprise to the writers of these list articles, as it is to me; can you (or anyone) say where this piece of guidance comes from? Xyl 54 (talk) 13:02, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

It come from the FL criteria. Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:01, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

OK; which FL criterion, exactly? Xyl 54 (talk) 18:39, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Here is the Wikipedia:Featured list criteria but it will not help you much, you will just have to AGF that what I said is correct. Or if you read the FL review Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Commando raids on the Atlantic wall/archive1 you can see one of the points, was exactly that. Jim Sweeney (talk) 19:03, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Hmm: The thing is, if the FL criteria don’t, in fact, contain the guidance you were relying on to revert my edit, I think it isn’t me that it doesn’t help very much. And although I notice that a couple of the FL reviewers were of the same opinion (that we don’t use the “This is…” format), neither of them offered a justification for saying so. till, I can acknowledge I am out-voted on the point.

Though it still doesn’t answer the second point (below) that a list article on Commando raids on the Atlantic Wall is not best served by an opening sentence about the Commando Order. Xyl 54 (talk) 23:56, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Introduction

I also moved the sentence about the Commando Order down the introduction a bit, which was also reverted, this time without any explanation at all. The purpose of my edit was that on a list page of commando raids, a detail like the Commando Order is less salient than, say, a summary of where, when and why, these raids were made, and who carried them out. Can you (or anyone) say why this list's very first sentence should be about the Nazi response to these raids, rather than about the raids themselves? Xyl 54 (talk) 13:09, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

No on further consideration, you were right and I have no objection to you moving it again.Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, I’ll make the change (and thank you). Trouble is, we’ll need a new lead sentence; any ideas? If we are eschewing the "This is a list..." format, something like "Commando raids were made by the Western Allies during much of the Second World War against the so-called 'Atlantic Wall'", perhaps? What do you think? Xyl 54 (talk) 23:48, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, done. Xyl 54 (talk) 23:44, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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