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Jean Slater

Will she ever be listed as recurring? She has been involved in 3 short stints since her exit in Sept 2013. Does the fact she was once a regular preclude her from being given recurring status? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.193.239 (talk) 23:12, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

We do not "downgrade" classification from regular to recurring, even on this list. In character infoboxes, it's because the infobox represents the entire time in the series, and if we were to list her as recurring, then regular, then recurring, with durations for each, then it would clutter it up. So unless there is a discussion in relation to former regular characters returning for guest stints being placed in the recurring section (e.g. Glenda Mitchell on her return this week), then they will go under the regular section. AnemoneProjectors 13:03, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

She's coming back soon so I've restored her to the present list as the gap isn't significant enough to signify a departure and return. If these guests stints become regular, maybe we should apply out 1-year rule to Jean and Ollie. ? AnemoneProjectors 10:33, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I'd say that we could apply a one year rule to Jean and Ollie. I did wonder if she would maybe return for Stacey's sake and for Charlie's funeral.--5 albert square (talk) 12:38, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Bobby was in 54 episodes last year, and Matthew and Pearl both appeared in around 40 episodes each and they're all counted as recurring. Jean appeared in 6 episodes over 3 very clear guest stints yet by AnemoneProjectors's strange logic she is a regular. Ok then. 86.134.126.69 (talk) 22:27, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

They are guest stints from a regular character. Like I said, we do not downgrade from regular to recurring. You have to think of characters overall, not just in the latest broadcast episodes. Overall, Jean is a regular character, and to add three different classifications would clutters up the infobox. AnemoneProjectors 13:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Why would Jean need three different classifications? Surely she only requires two recurring and regular with different dates for recurring? It's simply not true to say that Jean, Libby etc. are still regular characters when they are only making brief returns, nor is it true to say they are currently IN the cast when they're not re: the 12 month role, at least if they were classified as recurring there would be justification for leaving them on the list of current characters albeit in a different section. By saying there's a blanket rule for people like Aunt Sal to remain on for 12 months, but also for some regular characters who make brief returns while still being classed as regulars it's muddying the waters. Even the 'recurring' rule is inconsistent, Belinda for instance has been taken off despite the actress saying on Twitter that there is more to come from her, her comments were picked up by several news sources as well, even if this wasn't the case she should still be on as per the 12 month rule, and Belinda is a bona-fide recurring character! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.165.29 (talk) 21:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Recurring, regular and recurring. Like I said, overall, Jean is a regular character. We are not saying they are still regular characters. Jean and Libby are both regular characters in EastEnders. "Still" does not come into it. If you have a relibale source that a character is returning then add it, but this is a discussion about classification. AnemoneProjectors 23:28, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

You mightn't be saying that they are still regular characters but you're saying they are 'present' in the show when they're not (as part of the 12 month rule you're now applying to some regular characters) it's jarring to see that applied outside of characters who have only ever been recurring. At least if said characters Libby etc were all on the recurring list where people do remain when they're not in it typically then it would make some sort of sense. Anyway... I'm not that fussed on classification and who's on what list, it's becoming a mess but that wasn't why I came here... I came here to make a point about Belinda, why do I need a source that she is returning when she should still be, as a recurring character who last appeared only a couple of months ago, on the list as per the 12 month rule? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.165.29 (talk) 05:47, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

The one-year rule doesn't apply to every recurring character, only those where it is likely that they will appear again (e.g. we said Eve Igwe was a past character when Stacey left the hospital where she worked, but we leave Ritchie Scott in as there is always a chance she could pop up again - and indeed she is soon doing so). Belinda's return was announced as a guest stint, which is now over, and as far as I'm aware, they haven't said otherwise. The only person linking her back to Walford now is Stacey, but it doesn't seem that likely that she will return. If they announce her return, we can add her to the returning list. With Jean and Libby, they announced some returns but then didn't announce the latest ones, so we thought it would make sense to apply the one-year rule to them both. If we were to put the likes of Jean and Libby in the recurring section, we should add a note to say they are regular characters currently making guest appearances - I actually wouldn't be against that. AnemoneProjectors 20:23, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Or leave her in the regular section with a note. I've tried it out - let's see how long it stays there! AnemoneProjectors 20:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

I said Jean and Ollie should be left in the list - they're back again. Let's not remove them this time. AnemoneProjectors 07:03, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Belinda Peacock

Does someone know something nobody else does about Belinda Peacock still appearing? I have removed her from the list as it doesn't seem likely she would return, considering Stacey is the only Slater left. There's no evidence to suggest she hasn't left. AnemoneProjectors 21:05, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

An edit summary has claimed some website lists her as a cast member but I was unable to verify this. AnemoneProjectors 16:22, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

This is now confirmed here AnemoneProjectors 07:03, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Andy Flynn

Should Andy be listed as a regular character? Someone else suggested this on the redirect's talk page but I don't think anyone will see that discussion as it's a redirect and I'm the only one watching it. He's being listed with the main cast in the credits in upcoming episodes, when he gets more involved in a storyline with Stacey and Kyle. That's really the only reason, but we don't know how long he'll be around for. As of 2 May, he'll have been in 10 episodes. anemoneprojectors 08:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Sometimes he's at the top, sometimes at the bottom. But Digital Spy have called him a guest character on Twitter. anemoneprojectors 11:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

On a digital spy article about his secret in tonight's episode it just says "Despite originally appearing to be a background character, he's since featured on screen more regularly. He's still thought to be filming on the show too, so there's plenty more to come from the mysterious Andy over the next few weeks..." So not quite a regular yet I don't think, according to DS anyway ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that :-) anemoneprojectors 07:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Named extras

A character, Michael, has been added to the list. I remember when the list had more characters in it. We had a Michael played by Michael Leader, Harry played by Harry Holland and Glen played by Glen Cooper. Google has images of Michael Leader so I know who he is, but I can't find anything on the others, at least not with faces I recognise. Anyway, I think the named extras should be limited to those who sometimes get lines, which is Tracey, Winston, Marie and Shrimpy, plus the woman who works in the shop, if she has a name (Helen?). They do have other regular extras, and sometimes a name is mentioned, but I don't think that should mean they are added to the list. We're unlikely to find reliable sources to back them up, but Tracey, Winston, Marie and Shrimpy have all appeared in the credits at some point. AnemoneProjectors 19:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Note when I started this discussion, the Michael on the list had a different actor's name and I removed it - then I added Michael Leader when his name appeared in credits on the BBC website. anemoneprojectors 20:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Sophie, Ricksy, Delphine

Do we think these characters are likely to still appear now? It looks like Kyle may have left his friends behind and Jack's left Delphine behind too. Or are we going to stick to the one-year rule for them as well? AnemoneProjectors 16:28, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Sophie's back but Ricksy's not credited in the same episodes. anemoneprojectors 08:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

I think that Sophie should stay in the list, but I highly doubt Ricksy would be back. Sophie was only really used as a plot device for a Tina fling and so, I can't see any reason for Ricksy to come back. Soaper1234 (talk) 21:06, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Sophie could be removed since she and Kyle have fallen out, I agree Ricksy should definitely be. Thankfully Delphine has also been removed. For no reason Marcus Christie was also removed, so I hope he won't appear before August when he should have been removed! He did represent Max and that storyline's coming back... anemoneprojectors 21:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Linzi, Thelma and JJ can probably also be removed. anemoneprojectors 19:20, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Lucas and Jordan Johnson

See Talk:Lucas Johnson#Classification for a discussion about classifying them as past characters. anemoneprojectors 17:46, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Christian Clarke

Past or present? He's currently on both lists, and his article has been updated to say he's past. He's not credited to be appearing alongside his mother in the next week but it doesn't necessarily mean he won't appear the week after. anemoneprojectors 09:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Present it is then. You know, I really love these long discussions we have on here... anemoneprojectors 22:23, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

An extra called Waseem

Please see Talk:List of EastEnders characters (2008)#Waseem. anemoneprojectors 12:12, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Glenda

Why does the 12 month rule for recurring characters not apply to Glenda who's had two stints so far this year. Weird to keep Aunt Sal on the list played by an 80 year old woman and not Glenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.164.175 (talk) 07:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Probably because it looked unlikely from storylines that Glenda would return. anemoneprojectors 08:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Michael the Milkman

Over the years, the milkman has appeared every now and again, and can be seen driving about from time to time, do we include Michael the Milkman as a named extra or not? CDRL102 (talk) 20:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

I added him about a week or so ago - and he's still there. He's been in EastEnders since day 1. There are other named extras and they've all been listed before - there are past discussions about them and you can probably find them in the history of the page a few years ago - but most of them don't get credited. Since Michael has been credited I think it's good to have him listed. anemoneprojectors 20:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

In fact, look 2 sections up from this one. anemoneprojectors 20:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Would you say he's worthy of an actual section under the 1885 characters page and put into the named extras part? He's had small roles but it is actual acting, not like random people in the cafe or about the market, his character is reused and has the odd line from time to time. CDRL102 (talk) 22:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

All he needs is what he already has. As I said, he's already in the named extras list, and he's also already in the 1985 characters page. He doesn't need an individual list entry, he's in the "others" section. anemoneprojectors 19:19, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Michael Leader died on Monday this week, but he could still appear on screens for a while. Has he been moved to the past characters' list prematurely? anemoneprojectors 12:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Jenny Rawlinson

Whatever happened to Paul's mum Jenny? She hasn't been seen or mentioned since Paul's death and with Les and Pam leaving soon she is unlikely to make another appearance. Should she be removed?

SamLaws81101 (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Removed it is then.

SamLaws81101 (talk) 11:01, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes removed. But does she ever know Paul's dead? She should have been at the funeral. anemoneprojectors 12:39, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

I think Pam mentioned to Les about telling her at one point, but she hasn't been mentioned since. Overall it seems pretty pointless for her to have been introduced in the first place as her character served little to no purpose.

SamLaws81101 (talk) 14:42, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Sam Mitchell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Mitchell_(EastEnders) Is she really coming back or is this vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.191.251 (talk) 01:34, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism that was reverted. anemoneprojectors 12:35, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Babe Smith

Don't you think given all her recent storylines she should have her own page by now? I also think Kush, Pam, Les, Lee and Carmel could do with their own as well. It's strange that the likes of AJ get them but these who have had alot more to do and have been there longer don't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:DA0D:3600:308E:8DAD:F334:5308 (talk) 10:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Someone is working on a page for Babe. We don't just give characters their own page when they have big storylines - we work on them first in draft to get them up to standard, adding enough real-world information to justify an article (real-world information is more important than plot). There is a discussion and list at WT:EE. anemoneprojectors 09:30, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Neville Peacock and Angie Rice

Should we remove these characters now, as Neville and Belinda are divorced and Paul's court case is over, so they're not likely to appear? anemoneprojectors 10:38, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Marsden hasn't appeared for over a year and she's still on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.191.251 (talk) 01:34, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

2 November 2015 wasn't over a year ago, but I wasn't asking about her. However, as EastEnders have TODAY released the credits for 3 and 4 November 2016, and she is not credited, we could move her to past now (as long as it is done correctly and ALL involved articles are changed, i.e. this, past list, character page, and navigation template if she's listed in that). anemoneprojectors 06:05, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

I never said you were asking about her. I said the rules are inconsistent anyway. And I didn't realise Marsden last appeared in Nov 2015. Her Wikipedia page under 2015- has limited story info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.191.251 (talk) 17:56, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

I never said you said I was asking about her. I was merely pointing out that this discussion is about Neville Peacock and Angie Rice, not Marsden. But you didn't say the rules are inconsistent. You said "Marsden hasn't appeared for over a year and she's still on." Now she's marked up as past, because you brought attention to it. Now can we discuss Neville Peacock and Angie Rice? anemoneprojectors 18:32, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

If you thought she didn't appear in November you should have thought it had been over a year, so I've struck that as I can see you thought it was actually an inconsistency. The list does have notes saying when to remove characters though, and hers was "after 2 November 2016". anemoneprojectors 18:50, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Pam and Les are gone now and Paul's killers are in prison, so there's no reason for DC Rice to appear again. Neville has divorced Belinda now I think so it's unlikely for him to appear again.

SamLaws81101 (talk) 18:57, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Well I read that Belinda will ask Neville for money, but he's not in the credits for those episodes. anemoneprojectors 09:01, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Claudette Hubbard

I noticed she was removed from the departing section as a temporary departure, but she left in Tuesday's episode I think, and was removed from the present list - I agree that she should be considered a past character until a return is confirmed, as what Ellen Thomas has said is quite vague, and though she assumed Claudette would be back in "6 months or so", it could be longer - or anything could happen in that time and she might not return. anemoneprojectors 09:29, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2016

Joshuajtaylor03 (talk) 16:18, 7 November 2016 (UTC) (Recurring Characters) Jean Walters | Gillian Wright | 2004-

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:23, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Change Jean Slater from Regular to Recurring.

She should be changed, as she doesn't make regular appearance's, but makes 1 off recurring appearances! Joshuajtaylor03 (talk) 16:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)J.JTaylor

There is a note by her name that says "Jean has made guest appearances since 2014" so there is nothing to change. Overall, she is a regular character, so she stays where she is. The same with Libby, Christian and Mo. When they haven't appeared for a whole year then we'll remove them. It's already been discussed, check the above sections or the archives. anemoneprojectors 17:46, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Libby

Where is the source for her now being a regular again? And I do not class Belinda Owusu mentioning filming in an interview re her brother's stabbing as proof. That could easily be filming for another of her guest stints. She may well be back full time now but I want to see proper confirmation. Remember that psychopath who tried to brand poor Kathy a murderer based on an unconfirmed newspaper report? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.178.7 (talk) 15:47, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

She's not a regular again, Denise has asked her to return to Oxford. Whoever removed the note should have been reverted, and I have now done so. anemoneprojectors 16:21, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Cast pictures

We have three cast images 1985, 2000 and 2014.

We are already using 1985 cast image on the List of EastEnders characters (1985) article.

Do you think we should use 2000 + 2014 cast pictures in that 2000 + 2014 List of characters pages.

Although I noticed on the 2014 image its has been tagged something about licence information, will need to look at that.

Also there are other yearly cast pictures for the below years. That we could use assuming we found the correct licence information.

1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2010, 30 Anniversary cast and 2015.

http://eastenders.wikia.com/wiki/Cast_Photos

Not sure if it's overkill using that many non-free images but they would represent the yearly characters pages well, failing that we could always use the free image that AnemoneProjectors‬ found

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EastEnders.svg

Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 20:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

This is a really good idea Kelvin 101. I support this and agree that it would be good to find a way of obtaining licence for the multitude of years suggested. Soaper1234 (talk) 22:48, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I've considered it before and think it may have even been discussed. A photo of the 2000 cast in a list of characters introduced in 2000 will show mostly characters not introduced that year, which is why it hasn't already been done (1985 is the only year where all the characters were introduced in that year). Also, you should be wary of overusing fair use images, i.e. using one image on multiple pages. anemoneprojectors 23:24, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Cora Cross

Are we sure she's even returning? I can only find one article that says she is and it was quite vague, and the new executive producer might not bring her back. SamLaws81101 (talk) 21:25, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

I did think that. I'm sure it was widely reported that she would be back, but I thought she'd be back by now. I'd say wait until she's gone a year and then put her as past, then if she's confirmed as returning, put her as returning. anemoneprojectors 17:44, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Apparently she's returned to filming already, she'll be at Ronnie and Jack's wedding. anemoneprojectors 16:51, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Is there a source? SamLaws81101 (talk) 16:03, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

One of the recent soap magazines, I can't remember which one. They had on-location shots that included Cora and Max. Just Googling now to see if it's online.... Image 21 in the gallery shows Cora. anemoneprojectors 18:21, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

The cast list has been released for 16 December and she's not in it. That would have been a year since her final appearance so should we change her article to say returning? SamLaws81101 (talk) 16:10, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah I would say change her to past/returning as it's been over a year. She's not credited up to 27 December, the cast lists are available that far now. I think the wedding is due to be on 31 December, assuming there will be an episode on that Saturday. anemoneprojectors 16:32, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

She doesn't seem to be credited on 1 January 2017, which is when the wedding is... so unless they're trying to keep her return under wraps, perhaps it's not actually her in the photo... I'm a little confused. anemoneprojectors 22:48, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Same here; why would they try to keep her return under wraps and not Max's? And looking at the picture again it doesn't even really look like her! SamLaws81101 (talk) 07:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Her hair is nothing like Cora's. It's hard to tell from the face given the angle and distance. But why photograph this woman if it's not Cora? The soap magazine did say it was her... weird. If we assume it's not her, then that brings us back to your original question... anemoneprojectors 15:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Maybe the person taking the photo thought it was Cora. I guess we should just wait until the 1st January and if she doesn't appear then we should see about changing her to a past character. SamLaws81101 (talk) 15:55, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, if it turns out that she's not in that episode, then maybe we should put her as a past, non-returning character until we hear something new. There has been a change of producer since the announcement so things may have changed. anemoneprojectors 09:19, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

That photo was of Aunt Sal, not Cora. Digital Spy have now removed Cora from their 'Cast Changes' page, whilst EastEnders Spy have posted that her agent has said she'd 'love to return'. She's gone, guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:2805:AD00:F052:F483:211E:6513 (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out that it's Sal. That makes much more sense. It was just that a magazine had reported that it was Cora, that's all. The photo didn't look a lot like Sal to me. But don't worry about the "She's gone, guys", because we're not in denial. Also, her agent didn't confirm that she wasn't coming back. The Digital Spy thing is relevant though. anemoneprojectors 16:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I've now marked her up as a past character. I need to have another look at that photo! anemoneprojectors 17:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

There's no way this is Aunt Sal. No glasses? No wheelchair? Straight hair?? Looks nothing like her face??? anemoneprojectors 23:05, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

I'd say that's Cora :)--5 albert square (talk) 23:44, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

But people are saying it's not her. It's 100% not Sal, but it's only 10% not Cora ;-) anemoneprojectors 11:45, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Whether it's her or not, we need proper confirmation anyway. We can't add her on the basis that it might be her. Better off just leaving it. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 13:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

A soap magazine did say it was her. I don't know which one though, so I agree, let's leave it and we'll find out in a few days who this mystery person is. anemoneprojectors 14:10, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Whoever it was, they were taking a photo of the car to send to Phil, and I don't think we saw the person on screen. You'd think it would be crew doing that, but the person in the Daily Star photo looks to be in costume. Maybe it is a crew member, and she's dressed that way in case she ended up ons screen. Maybe we'll never know. anemoneprojectors 15:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

The same woman was sat at the back with all the other extras during the wedding. She stood up with everybody else when Ronnie walked in. Definitely not Cora though, just somebody random. ThisIsDanny (talk) 16:10, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh yeah! I can see her standing up at 18m 59s, the back of her head at 19m 59s... shame on that soap magazine! At least it's all sorted now! anemoneprojectors 16:28, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Though in fairness, I did think it was Cora seeing that photo but they shouldnt have printed something without actually knowing...oh wait thats how most magazines and newspapers work oops :p Rhysy54 (talk) 22:30, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

1999 characters

Surely there must have been more characters in 1999.

• List of EastEnders characters (1999)

Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 20:41, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Looks about right to me. There was a time when we only had one character on List of EastEnders characters (1995), before these were lists of all characters... so not every year has lots of introductions. anemoneprojectors 20:54, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey,

Just to let you know, I'll be starting to add to the earlier lists soon and improving them, if you don't mind :).

Grangehilllover (talk) 21:54, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

@Grangehilllover: I don't mind at all! It's a really good thing of you to do. Will you be improving existing entries, as well as adding in the minor, one-off characters that appeared in those years? You may well notice a large number of red-linked character names in the list of past EastEnders characters, so I'm guessing these are the majority of character that need adding. I guess a lot of them will be removed from the past list (I assume you know which ones to keep there but let me know if you don't), so if any of them remain, please create redirects from the red links. Thanks! anemoneprojectors 16:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

(Also note those red links in the past list are most likely not in chronological order! anemoneprojectors 16:34, 3 January 2017 (UTC))

And if you have evidence that Estella Hulton existed that would be amazing! Though Ellen Thomas has acknowledged that she played four characters now... anemoneprojectors 16:39, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

Yep, I will. I'll try do it as often as possible. From a glance of a few of the 90's lists, quite a few of guest characters have been listed in their own section and on the list of past characters, so I'll move them into tables.

Ellen Thomas' other character is the mother of List of EastEnders characters (2002)#Precious Hudson, who was only in for a month, so Ellen herself may have been guest here. When I can, I'll check it out.

Thanks

Grangehilllover (talk) 19:38, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Looks like Kelvin 101 has been doing this for some years already. anemoneprojectors 08:13, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Danny Mitchell

Just wondering, should Danny really be in the regular list? I think he's actually left now as Jack told him to stay away although it hasn't been confirmed by the actor or anyone else that he has left, but if not he should be in recurring, especially if he only pops up every now and again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c1:43e1:7500:e5f0:6ba3:c163:d6b6 (talk) 16:10, 5 February 2017‎ (UTC)

He's probably a past character now but if we're applying the one-year rule that we've applied to Libby, Jean, Christian, Bobby, Aunt Sal, etc, then he shoudl stay listed in the regular section - this is because like Libby, Jean and Christian, he is a regular character - just not at the moment. Should we apply the one-year rule or is his return stint over? anemoneprojectors 17:26, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

He's gone. 31.48.122.239 (talk) 23:46, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Do you have evidence that he won't return within a year? anemoneprojectors 10:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Haroon Zaman, Dermot Haynes and DS Kye Anderson

These three characters are all marked up to remove at the conclusion of their storylines. Haroon is Lee's boss but I'm a little confused as to whether Lee still works at that call centre - if not, we can remove him. Dermot is one of the medical staff involved with Phil's liver transplant - do we think he might be ready to remove now? And DS Anderson is Jack's family liaison officer in the case of Ronnie and Roxy's deaths - so the same question. anemoneprojectors 18:13, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Haroon - I get the impression with Lee's departure impending and the upcoming focus on Lee and Whitney's marriage, the focus on Lee's workplace has gone - more so after Mick beat up Oz. I believe it is safe to remove him.

Dermot - If we get any Phil in the hospital scenes, they will be with a consultant/doctor-type person rather than a transplant nurse. I believe it is safe to remove him.

DS Anderson - He hasn't appeared since 9 January; the aftermath with Jack has began to wrap up. The focus is now on Jack, Glenda and the kids moving on from the death. Police reached a conclusion with their inquires and so I believe it is safe to remove him. Soaper1234 (talk) 19:08, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

The guy who plays Oz did tweet that he would be appearing again, so perhaps we should leave Haroon in for that reason, for now. anemoneprojectors 19:29, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Remove them all. They're guest characters, not recurring. 31.48.122.239 (talk) 23:41, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Guest characters are included when it is likely they could appear again, not just recurring ones. Haroon could still appear as Lee still works at the call centre. I would say we can only safely remove Anderson at the moment. anemoneprojectors 10:31, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Can you prove Kye Anderson won't be making any more appearances in the next year? Follow your own stupid rules at least. 31.48.122.239 (talk) 20:29, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Obviously I can't prove it but is it likely he will appear? Has the storyline he was involved in ended? To me it looks like it has. Some police characters come back all the time (e.g. Kenny Morris), while others come back once or twice (like those involved in the arrests of Mick, Shirley and Babe), but others are one-offs. If his storyline has ended we should remove him until he is confirmed as returning, which won't happen because cast lists no longer include guest cast. The one-year rule does not apply to every character - we are meant to include guest cast as soon as their episode has aired if we know they are due to appear in at least one more episode, but with the change in cast lists we can no longer do this, so we might need to consider removing guest cast completely (unless it is clear they will continue to appear, as it was with Haroon and Oz after their first appearances). But that's a different discussion. If people think Kye Anderson's storyline has ended, we can remove him from the list by consensus, and if he returns, we'll just put him back and then consider applying the one-year rule. anemoneprojectors 14:29, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

If Lee has now gone it makes sense that Haroon has also gone, and probably Oz as well, despite the actor's implication that he would be back - though it could have been a lie. Anyway, I see they were both removed when people erroneously thought Lee had gone. So that's the end of that. Kye has also been brought up in the edit request section below so this discussion can be carried on there. anemoneprojectors 17:36, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2017

Please can you remove Mr Lister, Geraldine Clough and Kye Anderson as they have not appeared for ages. 2A00:23C0:8F4E:B200:A9A8:2077:E35D:EAA0 (talk) 09:31, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

There's a one year rule for recurring characters. They'll be removed a year after their latest appearance.Grangehilllover (talk) 11:10, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

There is a discussion above about Kye Anderson. I think Mr Lister was likely only brought back for one episode and that Geraldine's storyline ended when she left the Christmas show, so I agree that we could potentially remove them, but others will need to agree. anemoneprojectors 11:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I'd say remove Mr Lister, that was a one-off appearance. I'm agreement about Geraldine leaving at Christmas and I believe we've seen the last of Kye Anderson. Soaper1234 (talk) 15:44, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: Until consensus above is reached. Once reached, the edit can be performed Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 15:48, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

So how about removing Dermot Haynes as well as Mr Lister, Geraldine and Kye? EastEnders not crediting guest cast anymore or giving the actual credits makes knowing these things a bit more difficult, but I think all the other characters listed have the possibility to appear again, while these are probably gone. They can always be added back if we got it wrong. anemoneprojectors 18:30, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with that. Soaper1234 (talk) 20:22, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Glenda

I think she should stay on the list for 12 months given she has popped up for multiple stints since 2016. And Jack saying she could visit and that last line to Max did hint that we would see her again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.182.17 (talk) 08:50, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Digital Spy confirmed Glenda has left. Soaper1234 (talk) 09:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Technically Libby, Jean, Ryan and Christian have all 'left Walford' too but we still keep them on the list for up to a year because they've recurred a few times. Glenda has notched up more return stints than Ryan and Christian have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.182.17 (talk) 10:41, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Glenda has not "notched up" more returns than Ryan and Christian: Glenda has appeared in two stints since her departure; Ryan has appeared four guest appearance/stints; Christian has appeared in three. I personally believe Christian should be removed, but I can also see reasons why he shouldn't. (also, small note - please remember to sign posts using the ~~~~ button) Soaper1234 (talk) 11:47, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Glenda has returned three times - New Year's Day 2016, May 2016, and December 2016-January 2017. With Christian/Ryan I'd forgotten about one stint each although that would still put Ryan on par with Glenda. Their 2014 returns fall outside of the 12 month rule anyway, although so does Glenda's NYD 2016 return. I just think the rule is being inconsistently applied when Libby, Ryan, Jean and Christian have all been added back to the list due to their multiple return appearances. And while Glenda has left Walford for now, she ended on a note where the door was very much left open. I'm not saying 100% she's going to return but the same applies to the other characters in a similar boat. Who knows? After 12 months they're taken off anyway. --79.75.182.17 (talk) 18:59, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I think I agree, Glenda is basically the same as Ryan. anemoneprojectors 12:04, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Glenda, Ryan, Christian and Jean aren't regular characters. They're former regulars who make the odd guest appearance. Recurring at best, if you're sticking to this downright ridiculous "one year rule" cultivated by AnemoneProjectors to fit his personal agenda. 31.48.122.239 (talk) 23:45, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

I didn't cultivate the rule - it was agreed by consensus. What is your point? anemoneprojectors 10:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree with the rule either, but I accept it. As it exists, may I ask again what the issue is re Glenda? She more than qualifies if the likes of Ryan and Christian do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.191.78 (talk) 09:24, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Glenda should be subject to the rule as she is more likely to return than Ryan or Christian m especially since jack said she could visit Aacfsftw (talk) 16:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

I agree, she's as likely as Ryan, Christian, Libby or Jean, if not more likely, to appear again, so the rule would apply. Sometimes I wonder if a year is too long and it should be reduced to six months, but that's a completely different discussion. anemoneprojectors 17:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

So will she be added back? Or is that not your call to make AP? Do we still need more views? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.175.238 (talk) 14:08, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I've added her back now. anemoneprojectors 10:11, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Is Derek Harkinson returning?

I saw some speculation but I didn't see a confirmation yet - is there one? anemoneprojectors 09:36, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

I was under the impression this had been confirmed? Soaper1234 (talk) 20:11, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Is there a source? SamLaws81101 (talk) 15:59, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

• http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/eastenders/news/a822475/eastenders-bringing-back-derek-harkinson-ian-lavender-returns-set-walford/ thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 16:50, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Interesting but all the source says is "it looks like he's coming back" not "he is coming back". Also "Fans will have to wait and see if and when we will see Derek again". So it's technically speculation, not confirmation. anemoneprojectors 11:38, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Yolande

Does Yolande qualify for the 12 month rule re regulars popping in and out? Or would she need to make more than one appearance for that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.191.252 (talk) 17:41, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I would imagine Yolande would need to make more than the one-off appearance. In fact, I'm surprised she has been added to present cast as I got the impression this would be a one-off appearance? Soaper1234 (talk) 17:50, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

DS teased that we might see more of her but I think that was just speculation on their part. I didn't know she was on this list Soaper. Her character page shows her as a former regular hence why I came here to ask if she could be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.191.252 (talk) 19:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah I would put her straight to past, then if she makes another appearance apply the rule depending on what happens. anemoneprojectors 10:05, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Cast list

is it necessary to include previous actors in the cast list. Just curious. Aacfsftw (talk) 11:11, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

The page is a list of EastEnders characters rather than cast and so all portrayers of each character are listed. Soaper1234 (talk) 12:33, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Konrad

Is Konrad A regular character because he has appeared quite a lot for a recurring character Aacfsftw (talk) 10:54, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

No. I heard he had filmed only 11 episodes. He's a guest character, so will be in a small number of episodes until he leaves, and I can't see them bringing him back due to popular demand. Emerald was in 10 episodes. We dont count regulars based on the number of episodes they appear in. anemoneprojectors 09:40, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks I think he's left now anyway Aacfsftw (talk) 17:31, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

He's in upcoming spoilers. So far he's been in 9 episodes. The 11 episodes thing could be wrong, but there's no evidence to suggest he is or ever will be a regular character. anemoneprojectors 14:08, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Bobby Beale

(split from above section)

Not really related to Danny Mitchell, but on the subject of Bobby. I feel that because the likelihood of him appearing and the fact the BBC have moved him to past characters suggests to me he should be in past characters and has left the show. Soaper1234 (talk) 17:34, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

We did agree on the one-year rule though, because like Aunt Sal, he's a recurring character who has the possibility of returning at any time. I know the storylines have made it seem like he won't be returning, though... maybe we should change him now. anemoneprojectors 18:03, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I think because of the definitive nature of the storyline, Bobby should be classified as a past character now. Soaper1234 (talk) 19:02, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Agree, he's not coming back. He's a past character. 31.48.122.239 (talk) 23:41, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Should we move him to the past characters list then? SamLaws81101 (talk) 08:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I would. I don't think we will see him for a while, like with Ben. Grangehilllover (talk) 08:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah go on then. anemoneprojectors 10:32, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Keegan Baker - regular?

Keegan has been listed as a regular character because a tweet from the theatre school he goes to called him a "regular lead". They probably know, but is there any official evidence? Normally if there's no announcement, we go by the character having a BBC profile and the actor having a cast card (e.g. Sylvie Carter/Linda Marlowe has neither of these), or maybe we've heard about a 3-month or longer contract (Maria Friedman had one at the end of 2015 into the start of 2016). So should we trust this tweet, or wait for something more concrete? anemoneprojectors 13:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

He's been listed at the bottom for his episodes, hasn't he? His first credit was below Abbie Knowles and Henri Charles (Amy and Ricki). I think the actor older than school age, so he may be a regular recurring character, like Linzi?

Grangehilllover (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I've only seen his first episode so far but if he was listed that low down then that tells me he's not a regular, or at least not yet anyway. Surely they would announce a regular character as they usually do (though they didn't for Andy Flynn), but it's weird that he wasn't even in the online credits before the episode. anemoneprojectors 16:57, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

For now, unless It's said otherwise by the BBC or a reliable news source, I'd put him as recurring.

Grangehilllover (talk) 17:10, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Also, in agreement he should be moved to recurring. I can only imagine the agency has their facts mixed up. Soaper1234 (talk) 19:21, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Keegan Baker, Alexandra D'Costa, and Madison Drake are all regulars. For one, the actors were at the NTAs. Usually only the regular actors are invited to attend. Also, from 07/02/17, Madison and Alexandra are credited with the regular characters, above the likes of Emerald and Glenda, who are guest characters, and the children who are recurring. Madison and Alexandra also have promo pictures. LeonM96 (talk) 02:19, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

I would actually now put Keegan, Alexandra and Madison as regulars, for the reasons LeonM96 said. I think they are part of the main cast, but because no announcement has been said, we haven't known whether they were one off characters or what. But I do think they are long term.

Grangehilllover (talk) 15:01, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I was just thinking the same and was going to suggest it if nobody had yet. Also, Hero Talent Group tweeted that Madison was a regular, like Zack Morris's agent did for Keegan. So let's move them over. I think they should have officially announced the new characters - it's really annoying. Is Glenda still recurring or is she now a regular, now she's moved in with Jack? anemoneprojectors 11:09, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

I saw this article of those leaving soaps and it never said Glenda was going-only Babe, Lee and Emerald. I think she may be back for good.

Grangehilllover (talk) 11:30, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Actually Glenda looks to still be recurring at the moment because she's still credited below Dennis, Amy and Ricky in upcoming episodes, while Madison and Alexandra are listed with the regular cast (in alphabetical order by last name rather than in the actual credit order) - see 7 February 2017 as an example. anemoneprojectors 12:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I think it's laughable how these three are described as 'regular characters'. One, going to the NTA's doesn't mean anything, and despite being ongoing characters, they appear on a recurring basis. They don't live in Albert Square and just appear purely as 'Louise's schoolmates'. Sooner their gone the better to be honest, it's EE not Hollyoaks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C1:43E1:7500:E87E:B486:4137:FA59 (talk) 01:57, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi LeonM96, I See your point about the episodes airing from 6th Feb, but the cast lists have been mixed up since the bus crash episodes, some actors that appeared in those episodes were left off from the cast list prior to it airing (for example Jay Brown topped the cast list on Monday 23rd and Aunt Babe topped it on 24th, yet when the episodes actually aired they were both low down in the cast list. Ben Mitchell was also missing off the cast list yet appeared). This happened again on 30th, when Louise was uncredited in the cast list but appeared in the episode. I think EE do this to not spoil episodes as on 6th and 7th Feb, Louise, Shakil, Keegan and Bex aren't even credited, so how could those two appear without any of them? So Madison & Alexandra could be down the bottom of the cast list when the episodes air. I think they should be recurring until at least EE confirm it, or they appear on the EE characters page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C1:43E1:7500:E87E:B486:4137:FA59 (talk) 02:05, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

See my comment about how the cast lists are in alphabetical order, with regular and recurring/guest cast still separated. Keegan, Madison and Alexandra (and now Travis) are listed with the regular cast, while the likes of Ricky, Amy, Dennis, and even Glenda, are at the bottom. I see on 30 January and 3 February they were credited below Glenda/Dennis, and on 31 January they weren't credited, but from 6 February they are listed with the regulars (note that some actors weren't credited for the episodes the week after the bus crash as we were meant to think they might be killed off - they do this all the time, so isn't relevant here). I don't know why they've decided to start listing the cast alphabetically, but again not relevant, but them being listed with regulars is. However, I recall that guest character Linford Short had promo photos, as did Grant when he returned last year, which wasn't in a regular stint. Perhaps we need to come up with our own criteria for when we think a character is a regular, when there isn't a reliable source to say they are one or the other. anemoneprojectors 11:10, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

The cast lists are now in alphabetical order by actor's surname, and they also now feature every member of the cast rather than only the people who appear in the episode. The fact that every cast member appears on cast lists now, and the characters of Madison, Alexandra, Travis and Keegan are listed above the children and recurring/guests like Glenda and Emerald proves that they are definitely now regulars. Your opinion on whether or not they should be regulars because they don't live on the Square is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that they are regular cast members now. There have been many regular characters who do not live on the Square in the past. And also, on this subject, Sylvie Carter can now be considered a regular as she appears above the recurring characters too, with characters like Phil Mitchell below her. She has been appearing a lot more lately, so it's likely she's been given a short regular contract and her time on the show will soon come to an end. LeonM96 (talk) 15:42, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

I pretty much just said that (and yes I know you're replying to the IP and not to me though that's how it looks). However, I did say "Perhaps we need to come up with our own criteria for when we think a character is a regular, when there isn't a reliable source to say they are one or the other." Can we base it purely on the cast list, or do we need to take cast cards and character profiles on the official website into account? And yes that latest cast list features every character, and I'm being told that that's how it will be for all episodes from now on (really UNHELPFUL if true, not just for Wikipedia but for IMDb and all fans who follow the cast lists), but I'll wait and see because so far it's only one. anemoneprojectors

Who's idea was it to put cast lists up featuring every single cast member despite probably only half of them appearing in the episode? If that's true, then none of us can know what order the characters are going to be in when an episode ends. Maybe Alexandra, Madison, Keegan and Travis are credited alphabetically with the rest of the cast because they are adults (Glenda has been quite high up before even though she's now credited under the likes of Amy and Ricky). I do think they are recurring though (maybe not Keegan) as they only appear during school scenes and the odd scene with Louise - that shouldn't be classed as regular - Denise's GCSE teacher Jorgen has appeared more than them lot yet he's always been recurring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C1:43E1:7500:E5F0:6BA3:C163:D6B6 (talk) 00:24, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Just to throw my opinion into the ring; I believe the recent change to how the cast list is set out could be beneficial for situations like this one. It would appear that characters from Babe Smith (Annette Badland) to Ian Beale (Adam Woodyatt) are considered part of the main cast, so that would mean that Madison Drake (Seraphina Beh), Alexandra D'Costa (Sydney Craven), Sylvie Carter (Linda Marlowe), Keegan Baker (Zack Morris) and even Travis Law-Hughes (Alex James-Phelps) are considered to have a regular role in the series. In the instance of say Travis, it may be that he is making the first of what could be several appearances. It has often been the case, more so in recent years, that characters would be introduced in to the regular cast, but make one/two appearances and then turned up a few months down the line on a more prominant basis. Also, it should not matter whether they only appear in "school scenes and the odd scene with Louise" because recently, Donna has only appeared in market scenes and the odd scene in the Vic - do we class her as recurring character? This would appear as Sean O'Connor's new way of introducing characters. My final point is that Madison and Alexandra have also been given promotional images. To summarise (because it went on for longer than planned), I would say the five characters I have mentioned should be considered regular characters because they are featured within the regular cast in the credits. Soaper1234 (talk) 10:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with Soaper1234. Being an adult actor means nothing because Glenda and Emerald are both credited with the recurring and guest cast. The cast lists featuring every character is highly annoying but as Soaper says, it looks to be beneficial for these cases. Jorgen has appeared in more scenes because he was introduced earlier (it's a bit like saying Shakil must be a recurring character because Winston has appeared in more episodes), and as Soaper points out, characters can be introduced slowly. So it looks like it's time to move Sylvie to a regular character as well. anemoneprojectors 12:03, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Agree with you about the new layout of the cast lists, it's stupid because when an episode airs you don't know who's appearing in that said episode. We also don't know what order the cast is going to be in the end credits, because I don't think they'll actually be displayed in alphabetical order when the episode airs I think that's purely for the EE website. For example, say if Max Branning was the leading character in the episode, Jake Wood would have to be at the top rather than second last to Ian Beale! I do think that even though Louise's schoolmates and Keegan may be considered 'regular', they'll remain below Amy, Ricky, Lily ect once the episode airs. This will cause a lot of trouble for IMDB too - typical of EastEnders — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C1:43E1:7500:E5F0:6BA3:C163:D6B6 (talk) 12:24, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I've never really understood the order of EE's credits anyway, have they always been in order of the character's importance in the episode? Rather than order by actors last name, they should do it by the character's last name like Hollyoaks (seems as though it's turning into Hollyoaks with the new school kids), or in order of appearance like Corrie or ED? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C1:43E1:7500:E5F0:6BA3:C163:D6B6 (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Let's see what happens when the 6 February episode airs - I hope we're not wrong about this. Also have you noticed that guest characters aren't being credited at all online? Most recently, Jørgen Christensen, DC Manners, Alan Robinson and Gary in last Thursday's episode - whereas Dennis, a "regular" recurring character, and Madison and Alexandra were all listed (though M&A were listed below Dennis). So that at least puts them more regular than Jørgen as of that episode. anemoneprojectors 12:40, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

The top rated character is usually the one who gets the "duff duff" moment at the end, followed by those in the same scene. It's sort of by importance within the episode, they're sort of grouped by scene, but not always in a logical order. I've noticed lately they seem to be grouped by family. I've never managed to work out Corrie's order of credit. I like that EE credits them in that order. anemoneprojectors 12:42, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

DS just did an interview article with the actor - I'd say it's fair to say he's a regular: http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/eastenders/interviews/a820581/eastenders-zack-morris-keegan-baker-interview-spoilers/ - Although still undecided about the other 3. ThisIsDanny (talk) 14:26, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I think the two girls should be in recurring with Travis. Also, completely unrelated to this, but has anyone noticed how much Alexandra looks like Zsa Zsa Carter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c1:43e1:7500:e5f0:6ba3:c163:d6b6 (talk) 16:08, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

The interview is a great indicator that he's sticking around for the long term. 2a00(etc), why do you think they should be in recurring? (And no.) anemoneprojectors 17:24, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm not saying she IS Zsa Zsa, because obviously she's older, she looks a lot like her. I think the other two should be recurring because they appear like Travis and he's down as recurring, rather than Keegan - it's definitely confirmed now he's a regular. With a bit of luck, however regular they all are, they won't stick around that long, same with the 'exec producer' Sean O'Connor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c1:43e1:7500:e5f0:6ba3:c163:d6b6 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I know that's not what your'e saying, but I don't see it myself, sorry. I think they should be listed as regular for the reasons given, and perhaps Travis should be as well. Like I said though, we should see where they end up in the credits at the end of tomorrow's episode, as that's the first one where they are listed with regular cast online - if they are listed below child cast members, we can consider moving them back to recurring. Also we don't need your personal opinions on the characters here. Thanks :-) anemoneprojectors 19:26, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I think the credits will be like they usually are, whoever gets the duff duff will be top, and the rest by importance in the episode, I think Alexandra and Madison will be quite low down but maybe above any child characters/guest characters if they're in the episode — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C1:43E1:7500:E5F0:6BA3:C163:D6B6 (talk) 21:39, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

They were below Emerald, Dennis, Will and Janet in the credits - but above the guest characters so I suppose that makes them recurring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C1:43E1:7500:E5F0:6BA3:C163:D6B6 (talk) 23:17, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

There was no question that the credits would be any different to normal. Looks like they are still recurring based on the end credits, so why they're listed with the regulars in the online credits is beyond me. Change them back? anemoneprojectors 11:18, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

Would you put them as recurring though? There not like, for example, Jill Marsden or Keeble, who come and go. There appearances are much more regular, more so than the main cast children played by child actors, and they could depart at the end of the storyline, but I doubt that will be soon.

Grangehilllover (talk) 15:15, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Well, if they're not officially regulars then they're recurring or guest characters. A guest character can have a big involvement. There are different types of recurring characters - the Reverend Stevens or Aunt Sal types who show up now and then, the Lilys and Dennises who are recurring because of their ages, and the short term guest characters who are brought in for a specific storyline and then depart. I still do think they are meant to be regulars, but we need to go by the evidence or work out what our rules are when it's unclear - and we use the credits as part of that, so although the evidence is mixed, I think we need to list them as recurring. anemoneprojectors 10:45, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for explainig. If that's the case, then put them to recurring. It's so confusing working it out.

Grangehilllover (talk) 11:13, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

It's confusing because they have promo photos, but remember, Leon Lopez who played Linford had them and we know he wasn't a regular. But in the interview, Zack Morris said he was waiting for his cast cards, which are normally only done for regulars... hmm. anemoneprojectors 11:24, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

This is confusing, definately. Unless we leave them as they are, see how the storyline concludes and using the conclusion, judge whether they will reappear, unless anything is said before hand. In early days of EastEnders, I think regulars, recurring and guest were put together.

Thanks,

Grangehilllover (talk) 11:51, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

They might be like Andy (Danielle's brother) who appeared last year. He was a regular but he only stayed for a few months, but again that's like a recurring character so it is confusing!

Digital Spy have just released an article about the new cast lists online - apparently it's staying that way to make way for more onscreen 'surprises' but it won't affect the credits onscreen. Keegan, Travis, Alexandra and Madison were also mentioned but weren't confirmed as regulars or not. Travis is certainly not a regular so he should stay in the recurring list, but it's so confusing with the other three! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C1:43E1:7500:E916:E9EE:95A4:EDEE (talk) 19:35, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Andy Flynn was introduced slowly, so that we'd think he was a minor character. He stayed around for 5 months, and the shortest contract we consider for a regular is 3 months (I think Elaine Peacock had 3 months of regular contract within all her guest appearances, making her a regular overall). I saw the Digital Spy article - it only said what we already assumed and speculated on what we're currently speculating on. I see no reason to treat Travis differently to the other three just because he's been in fewer episodes so far, because his name is on those lists as well, unless there is another reason. anemoneprojectors 10:12, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Madison and Alexandra were credited under the kids and even Tracey. If EastEnders are classing them as regulars then they should be up higher with the other regular cast members. Maybe as time goes on they might start to be credited higher, but I can't see that happening as they only appear at the school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C1:43E1:7500:E5F0:6BA3:C163:D6B6 (talk) 22:03, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't matter that they only appear at the school, though I'm sure they've been seen elsewhere already. Refer back to my comment of 11:18, 7 February 2017. anemoneprojectors 16:39, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

They've not just been at the school. They've been on the square a few times and McKlunky's. They're playing schoolkids-it'd be unrealistic for them to play out their storylines in places like The Vic or to "bunk off" to be involved.

Grangehilllover (talk) 17:55, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Have you also noticed that the credits cannot be trusted at all now? Babe is still credited despite having left, including in the cast list released after her departure. Therefore, they can't be trusted to let us know that these are regular characters. If they haven't been changed to recurring yet, they definitely need to be. anemoneprojectors 12:01, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Was Babe credited in on-screen credits or just online credits? Soaper1234 (talk) 12:55, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

She made her exit in Thursday's first episode but she's still credited online for all upcoming episodes. I know all cast are credited whether they are due to appear or not, but the 21 Feb episode was released today, 2 days after her exit, and she's still listed despite being gone. It proves that nothing about the lists of credits is true - including the fact that these recurring characters are listed with the main cast. anemoneprojectors 13:56, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Keegan, Madison and Alexandra are all definitely regulars. Not sure about Travis yet but looks likely he is too. Sylvie Carter is also classed as a regular now. 31.48.122.239 (talk) 23:38, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

What is your evidence for this? anemoneprojectors 10:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I still go by whether they have character profiles on EE website, I think until then they should stay as recurring for now. 2A00:23C1:4380:9600:6518:2845:E6BC:4959 (talk) 19:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't know if this means anything or makes a difference, but Zack Morris (Keegan) has an interview in this week's Inside Soap magazine. Unfortunately, it doesn't explicitly mention whether he is a regular or recurring cast member, but he does imply that he is going to be around for a while, as they explore his character's background. - JuneGloom07 Talk 00:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

That's his second interview then, which looks promising. But if they are still at the bottom of the credits below other recurring and guest cast I don't think we should change them to regular until we have proper evidence. anemoneprojectors 14:22, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

I see that Preston Cooper (Martin Anzor) has now joined the alphabetical cast list, which makes it even less likely that we are meant to consider these characters regulars. anemoneprojectors 11:00, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

IMDB are handling the new alphabetical cast list well, they've managed to only credit actors in the episodes they actually appear in the episode rather than the new set up EE have come up with. I agree about Preston, he seems like a character who'll hang around for less than a month and just disappear.82.12.211.27 (talk) 15:02, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I see that Keegan was credited second on screen, below Denise. But is this a one-off? It has happened before when an recurring character is involved in the "duff duff" moment. anemoneprojectors 17:38, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I would most certainly agree with Keegan being a regular character and Travis being a recurring/guest character. I'm stuck on the fence with Madison and Alexandra - I suppose we will have to decide as the months progress. Soaper1234 (talk) 18:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

It was a one-off because he was involved in the "duff duff", and now he's back below Dennis and the other recurring characters. The same happened with Preston when he and Michelle shared the cliffhanger. anemoneprojectors 10:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

The actors of Keegan, Madison and Alexandra all have their own dressing rooms now, so surely they're regular? See their Instagrams. 2A01:388:231:150:0:0:1:90 (talk) 18:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I would definitely agree now that Baker, Deh and Craven all are regular cast members. Soaper1234 (talk) 18:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Me too. I think cast lists are becoming meaningless to determine whether they're recurring and regular. I checked social media and they're still filming as of yesterday, so the scenes will probably transmit around May and been on for 3/4 months. And like a user has said, have. they have justv received those dressing room signs. Grangehilllover (talk) 19:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Well, I noticed that Alexandra and Madison were credited with the main cast in Friday's 2nd episode, above Honey, Denise, Patrick, Carmel and Kush. The signs are looking good, especially if they're still filming after 3 months. That's a regular contract. Shall we list Keegan, Madison and Alexandra as regular charactrers now? anemoneprojectors 11:45, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

I've made them regulars now. anemoneprojectors 12:59, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

It seems that since they (Keegan, Madison and Alexandra) were made regulars none of them have appeared in any episodes Aacfsftw (talk) 18:00, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Are you serious? It was done on 18 March, since then Keegan has appeared on 6 and 7 April and is in next week's spoilers. Alexandra and Madison have appeared on 21 March, 10 April, 11 April and 13 April (that's three of last week's four episodes). And tonight's episode as well. Did you not see them make Bex eat the fake truffle? Smash her guitar? Are you watching the same programme? anemoneprojectors 19:46, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

1 year rule-Jean

I know the rule is only supposed to last for 1 year but can I add another couple of days because Stacey said she was visiting for Easter which would likely air on Monday after the rule expired. Aacfsftw (talk) 20:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

It could be on Friday, but just in case Jean visits and appears on screen on Easter Monday, we can extend it to 17 April, and the same for Ollie Walters. anemoneprojectors 08:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

It's really satisfying that she came back exactly a year after her last appearance. As Ollie didn't appear, I don't think we need to wait for Monday for him. I haven't seen the epsiode yet so I don't know if anything was said about him, though. anemoneprojectors 09:33, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

In the episode, Ollie was visiting someone or something like that. Grangehilllover (talk) 10:30, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

By the way, Aacfsftw, had you bothered to follow up on this discussion that you started, you wouldn't have removed Ollie from the past list on Good Friday. I almost pointed this discussion out to you when I left a message on your talk page about it, but I just realised it's your discussion. So you should really be keeping up. anemoneprojectors 19:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Travis and others

So HappyMan97 decided to change Travis to a regular because he's credited with regular cast now, but this change was undiscussed. I was sort of inclined to agree after watching his last few episodes, but perhaps we should see how many episodes he appears in first. Also, his management called him "semi-regular". If he's going to be listed as a regular just because of where his name appears in credits, then does that mean that Woody and Josh are also regular characters? Woody, as we know, is in the series for two months, but sources have called this a "guest" stint, and we normally only count three months or more as regular. —anemoneprojectors— 08:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm led to believe that Josh and Travis are regulars, but Travis' actor had to do his GCSEs hence his delayed introduction. Eddie Eyre (Josh) recently did an interview with Inside Soap and both actors have had LOTS of promotional pictures recently too. Soaper1234 (talk) 18:45, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I was thinking - the promos and interviews as well as the credits. —anemoneprojectors— 21:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Protection

Just wondering if it is necessary to add protection to the page. Over the last few weeks there has been consistent vandalism and it has been quite irritating. Aacfsftw (talk) 20:07, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that the vandalism has been heavy and frequent enough, though this is a page that is targetted more than others. However, pending changes protection might be a good idea, meaning every edit would need to be reviewed before it is accepted and visible in the article, unless the user is already trusted. This type of protection is already applied to the EastEnders page. —anemoneprojectors— 20:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Dermot and Kyle

These characters have just been re-added with the same notes (remove after date or at conclusion to storyline). I think we have reached the conclusion of their guest stints and won't be seeing them again. Would we agree they can be removed? Soaper1234 - talk 19:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I think we should wait until the Jack/Matthew/Charlie storyline has ended because they might pop up again. Aacfsftw (talk) 20:09, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

The main reasons I reverted the removal is because there was no edit summary explaining it and the characters weren't added to the list of past characters and their pages weren't updated. If that had happened as well I'd probably have left it. Dermot was part of Phil's liver thing, so we could remove him or wait until Phil returns to see if he still needs a doctor, but I think the type of medical help he's getting now wouldn't involve a Dermot character, am I right? Kye Anderson could probably go as well because the whole case involving Roxy and Ronnie's deaths is over. I don't think he'd still be involved with Jack now. If we remove them both, we can always add them back if they do return, but I think it's more likely that they've gone. —anemoneprojectors— 20:27, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Also I think we should consider removing Geraldine Clough since nobody in Walford likes her and she was kind of humilated, and we should definitely remove Sandra Vole because Jane is now getting private therapy. —anemoneprojectors— 20:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm glad you agree with Dermot and Kyle and I agree with Geraldine and Sandra. Soaper1234 - talk 21:36, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Pam Coker - 1 year rule

Should the 1 year rule be added about Pam Coker? As she may make another appearance in the future whilst Billy, Honey, Donna and Ben are still onscreen.82.10.197.121 (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Probably not unless she makes another appearance. If we follow the "likely to make another appearance whilst... are still on screen" rule then we'd rarely add characters to past. ThisIsDanny (talk) 12:17, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't add it as seems to be a one-off guest appearance. Soaper1234 - talk 12:27, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

If she makes another guest appearance then we'd consider it then but not before. —anemoneprojectors— 14:44, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Pam has been confirmed as appearing again by a very reliable poster on WW who used to contribute to Wikipedia as Trampikey before being driven away. However, that isn't a valid source. I wouldn't add her unless she makes another appearance but I would've kept Cora on the list. Like Glenda's last appearance she was a left on a note that suggested she may appear again eg. taking an interest in Max. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.168.9 (talk) 14:14, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with you. Regarding Cora, see Talk:Cora Cross. — anemoneprojectors 14:56, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I've added the 1 year rule as it's now been confirmed by Digital Spy that she'll be returning on 22 June.2A00:23C5:43B8:D00:1CF3:25A9:D5A2:51A9 (talk) 23:15, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Pam was a tricky one because a very reliable poster on WW confirmed she'd be back again but such posts can't be used as a source here. And her previous one-off appearance wasn't left on a note that hinted at a further appearance so it seemed fair to wait for the Pam spoiler to come out/her to make another appearance. I think now it's out there she should maybe be left on the list for a year... Even if this appearance feels very much like a one-off again, the fact her previous one did also means we can't rule her out of appearing yet again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.168.9 (talk)

I agree, if Pam is returning again then we should treat her like Libby and Jean and apply the 1-year rule. — anemoneprojectors 07:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Joan Murfield

I was going to add her as a recurring character but as I haven't seen her 2nd episode yet I thought I should check that there is a possibility of her appearing again, just in case it's clear that there isn't. — anemoneprojectors 08:27, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Joan discovered that the Taylor's (her neighbours from hell) moved in next to ted and Joyce and said that she won't be visiting Again so I would wait for a third appearance before adding her. Aacfsftw (talk) 20:57, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Having seen the episode on Monday, it seems unlikely she will appear, so we'll wait. — anemoneprojectors 09:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I've added her to the list. She had a small cameo yesterday (I don't know If you saw it) Aacfsftw (talk) 19:19, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Named Extras

Why are only 4 characters listed in the named extras character box when there are so much more like Cole and lance from the garage and Helen from the minute Mart. Aacfsftw (talk) 07:50, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

@Aacfsftw: The reason is that we do not know the actors names who play the characters and it's unknown if Cole and Lance will be around for long. However Cole and Lance do appear on the List of EastEnders characters (2017) Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 11:56, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

More used to be listed but I think we decided to only list those whose actors are known. We used to add extras' names as hidden comments if we didn't know the actors but people just removed them so we stopped bothering. — anemoneprojectors 15:21, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Linzi Bragg

Is it safe to assume that because Amy Liegh Hickman is a regular on ackley bridge that she won't appear on EE again. Aacfsftw (talk) 23:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I guess someone thought it was. — anemoneprojectors 15:22, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Steven Beale departure date

How come the departure date which should be inserted beside the actor's name keeps being removed? Usually when a departing characer is listed, there's the character's name, the actor's name, departure date and the references. The departure date keeps being removed and the aforementioned character is due to exit British soap opera EastEnders in September 2017. Lasquith (talk) 11:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

The EE list doesn't use/add departure dates. - JuneGloom07 Talk 16:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Ok Lasquith (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Fi's departure

Is he definitely leaving. I think that Lisa Faulkner's statements may have been taken out of context because she didn't say she was leaving, she said she wouldn't be a regular living on the square. Aacfsftw (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

A Digital Spy article states Fi will be leaving at the conclusion to the storyline. I'm in agreement with Grangehilllover as to how much clearer could this be? Struggling to understand the constant reverts. Soaper1234 - talk 15:17, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree @Soaper1234:. It's from the actress herself from a trusted source. It's not like sosme mysterious source on a blog site. I think the page should have some protection from all the constant reverting. Grangehilllover (talk) 15:40, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

lisa Faulkner seems to have confirmed on twitter that's she's leaving but not for a while. Just wanted to be sure because I couldn't find any articles saying she was leaving Aacfsftw (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Bert Atkinson

Can we remove Bert? I got the impression that was a one (and a bit) episode guest stint to add to Jay's storyline. I suggest we remove him and should he return again, we can add him back again. Thoughts? Soaper1234 - talk 20:11, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Probably just remove him. I was going to change him to past but I couldn't remember when his last episode was Aacfsftw (talk) 14:09, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Ben Mitchell

Did Harry Reid choose to depart the soap as Ben, or was he forced off? I've been wondering about this since I discovered his departure on Monday. User321a (talk) 18:49, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Well all articles say he was written out which I would take to mean that it was the producers’ choice Aacfsftw (talk) 14:14, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Either way he has to be written out, so it doesn't clarify anything. — anemoneprojectors 21:21, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Dennis Rickman instead of Dennis Rickman Jnr

Do you think Dennis Rickman Jnr should just be Dennis Rickman now? He's been credited as just Dennis Rickman even when Hickles portrayed the role-according to IMDB, the character has only had Jnr on the end in one episode. What does everyone think? Grangehilllover (talk) 17:26, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Maybe. I wasn't aware he had ever been credited with Jnr to be honest. But it would mean disambiguating with a year the same as Arthur Fowler and Charlie Cotton, or do we just pipe Dennis Rickman Jnr to Dennis Rickman? — anemoneprojectors 18:05, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I think maybe Dennis Rickman (2012 character)-there won't be that many pages to change as prior to Bleu Landau taking over, like other children, he hasn't been involved with tons of characters. Grangehilllover (talk) 18:19, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

The Jnr redirect would still work so we could just pipe it for now instead of moving the redirect to the new redirect name and then piping. To see what needs changing, change the characters navigation template first and then check Special:WhatLinksHere/Dennis Rickman Jnr for other pages. — anemoneprojectors 22:29, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

OK then. Grangehilllover (talk) 07:12, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I know I've been a while, but I've changed the name style on the page in Dennis' section. Grangehilllover (talk) 19:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

As per that common name rule, shouldn't his section be titled Denny Rickman? That's what he's most commonly known as (by the press and fans) 86.136.76.190 (talk) 00:11, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

In fact, having looked at his section in the list article, and the fact that all the real world references on there refer to him as Denny, I'm being WP:BOLD and changing it to Denny as per WP:COMMONNAME. 86.136.76.190 (talk) 00:14, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Denny is just a nickname, but he's not credited that way and now, since the recast, Denny seems to have been stopped in favour of Dennis, unlike Bex who is Bex to everyone now. It's just Dennis.Grangehilllover (talk) 09:36, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm not talking in-universe, by fans and the press his commonly known name is Denny. Have a search on Twitter and you'll see. 86.136.76.190 (talk) 13:54, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, and Dennis too. A few examples [1][2][3][4] Like I said, he's credited as Dennis, referred to Dennis by reliable news sources and in the show as Dennis. It's like Shakil-he's called "Shaki" as a nickname, but is Shakil on here and in the credits, unlike his brother who is credited by his shortened name Kush. A few more examples: The William Mitchell's (Billy and Will) and Rebecca Fowler (Bex). 17:18, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

• FWIW I support - Both articles have "not to be confused with the 2003/2012 character" so that's my main concern moot, other than that I don't see any valid reason for opposing, As for "Denny"... Yeah it's a nickname and obviously shouldn't be included. –Davey2010^Talk 18:02, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Departure, Return and Arrival dates

How come the EastEnders list doesn't include these dates? I have been wondering about this. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could tell me the reason. User321a (talk) 16:03, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Overwhelming opposition is the reason. Dates are rarely known these days anyway, are they? — anemoneprojectors 16:59, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Also we would have serious problems with unsourced dates being added all the time, and vague time periods like "spring 2018", which is meaningless and unhelpful. — anemoneprojectors 18:02, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

If that's the case, then why do the other lists for other soaps include them? I think other soaps shouldn't include them if this is the case. User321a (talk) 07:07, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

If you think other soaps shouldn’t use them stop adding them here. Aacfsftw (talk) 14:46, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Ok. User321a (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@User321a: Please stop removing the dates from other soap opera lists without discussing it. The EE WikiProject formed a consensus to remove dates from the EE list, not every list. AP: I think the arrival and departure dates are actually more commonly mentioned now. - JuneGloom07 Talk 19:07, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realise. Is this the reason why the Coronation Street list only lists the current actor?

I've re-added the dates to their respective tables on the Coronation Street list. Apologies again, I sincerely didn't realise that a consensus (whatever one of those are, I haven't a clue) was reached. User321a (talk) 20:38, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

This year's appearances of Yolande Trueman

Hello. Someone using various IP addresses tried to verify Yolande Trueman as an ongoing character since she appeared on the series this year. Every time reverts were made, the editor re-removes the "last" appearance as if it's not accurate or something like that. Also, the list still retains the dash (–) as if she were an ongoing character. List of EastEnders characters (2003)#Yolande Trueman doesn't contain an infobox, but it says she appears just once this year. I tried addressing this at an admin's talk page, but the admin suggested that I raise the issue here. Therefore, here I am. George Ho (talk) 22:53, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello. Yolande's section on the 2003 page isn't actually up-to-date and should mention her second appearance this year too. However, in terms of whether the character should appear as a current character, the EastEnders WikiProject states that characters should follow a 'one-year rule' when they appear if they are likely to make multiple/reoccuring appearances and therefore, Yolande is listed as a current character until 26 June 2018. Personally, I feel this rule should be decreased to a 'six-month rule', although that's just a personal view and not the point. So, to answer your question, Yolande should be listed as a present character without a last appearance until 26 June 2018. Hope that answers your question :) Soaper1234 - talk1 23:56, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Kat’s Return

Digital spy have released an article saying that Kat WILL return along with Jean and Mo. Is this a reliable source. Aacfsftw (talk) 22:07, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes it is :-) — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 19:30, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Charlie Cotton

Since there has been several reverts in whether Charlie and Matthew should be included on the list or not, I have decided to start a discussion on the characters' inclusion. I personally don't think they should be included since they only returned for two episodes to develop Max's downfall storyline and have now left again. However, this is a discussion for anyone, so please direct anyone who reverts the changes here to discuss it. Soaper1234 - talk1 11:25, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I think they should remain. With the mention of an arrangement so Jack could have contact with Charlie, it could be revisited? Charlie could hand Matthew over to Jack? We don't know what happens. It's already been revisited and could be again after Christmas. Grangehilllover (talk) 12:43, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I think we should leave them in for now. — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 19:34, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Libby Fox

Hello. I would like to propose removing Libby from present characters since it is nearly the end of the one-year and Owusu has a regular role on Holby City now, making a return more unlikely. Soaper1234 - talk1 20:53, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I would wait until after Christmas because she has returned every Christmas for the last few years but if she doesn’t appear then I don’t see why we shouldn’t remove her. Aacfsftw (talk) 10:48, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

But as I said, Owusu is currently under contract with another show, making a return very unlikely. Soaper1234 - talk1 11:23, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't mean she won't still make a surprise appearance, so I'd rather wait. — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 19:29, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

While unlikely, a return is possible with the two shows being filmed at the same studios. - JuneGloom07 Talk 20:35, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I wasn't entirely sure but I thought that might be the case. It's not long to wait, so we can afford to be patient. It annoys me when we apply a rule and people start removing characters two weeks before the year is up without giving a reason or trying to discuss it. — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 23:40, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

That was why I thought it be best to discuss it here first. Thank you to everyone for your comments. Soaper1234 - talk 23:52, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

lol yeah I didn't mean you, you're good :) — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 00:52, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi just thought I’d let you know that Libby as been removed from the present characters but is not in the past characters section either same with Glenda I would do it myself but I don’t know when they left