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Subspecies listings

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I'm reviewing IUCN and ASM's MDD for subspecies listings. Here are some discrepancies between what I'm finding in IUCN and what's in this list, with additional notes from ASM where different. I take it the other secondary sources disagree on these.

  • Cercopithecus mitis (I note here that 3 of these were species articles that I've updated to be subspecies)
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. albogularis Sykes' monkey
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. albotorquatus
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. boutourlinii
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. doggetti silver monkey
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. erythrarchus
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. heymansi
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. kandti golden monkey
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. kolbi
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. labiatus
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. manyaraensis
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. mitis
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. moloneyi
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. monoides
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. opisthostictus
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. stuhlmanni
    • Cercopithecus mitis ssp. zammaranoi
  • Cercopithecus nictitans
    • Cercopithecus nictitans ssp. insolitus
    • Cercopithecus nictitans ssp. ludio
    • Cercopithecus nictitans ssp. martini
    • Cercopithecus nictitans ssp. nictitans
    • Cercopithecus nictitans ssp. stampflii
  • Cercopithecus wolfi
    • Cercopithecus wolfi ssp. elegans
    • Cercopithecus wolfi ssp. pyrogaster
    • Cercopithecus wolfi ssp. wolfi
  • Chlorocebus djamdjamensis
    • Chlorocebus djamdjamensis ssp. djamdjamensis
    • Chlorocebus djamdjamensis ssp. harennaensis
  • Chlorocebus aethiops
    • Chlorocebus aethiops ssp. aethiops
    • Chlorocebus aethiops ssp. matschiei
  • Chlorocebus pygerythrus (If anyone ever questions my monkey nerd credentials, I show them my sugar skull tattoo of this species)
    • Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. hilgerti
    • Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. nesiotes
    • Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. pygerythrus
    • Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. rufoviridis
    • Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. zavattarii
  • Erythrocebus patas
    • Erythrocebus patas ssp. patas
    • Erythrocebus patas ssp. pyrrhonotus
    • Erythrocebus patas ssp. villiersi
  • Lophocebus aterrimus (ASM lists both as species)
    • Lophocebus aterrimus ssp. aterrimus
    • Lophocebus aterrimus ssp. opdenboschi (demote from species)
  • Lophocebus albigena (ASM lists all as species)
    • Lophocebus albigena ssp. albigena
    • Lophocebus albigena ssp. johnstoni
    • Lophocebus albigena ssp. osmani
    • Lophocebus albigena ssp. ugandae
  • Macaca radiata
    • Macaca radiata ssp. diluta
    • Macaca radiata ssp. radiata
  • Macaca fascicularis (several spelling differences that ASM disagrees with)
    • Macaca fascicularis ssp. atriceps
    • Macaca fascicularis ssp. aurea
    • Macaca fascicularis ssp. condorensis
    • Macaca fascicularis ssp. fascicularis
    • Macaca fascicularis ssp. fusca
    • Macaca fascicularis ssp. karimondjawae
    • Macaca fascicularis ssp. lasiae
    • Macaca fascicularis ssp. philippensis (discarded)
    • Macaca fascicularis ssp. tua
    • Macaca fascicularis ssp. umbrosa

That's as far as I'm able to get today.... I'll look at the remaining genera tomorrow. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Colobus angolensis
    • Colobus angolensis ssp. angolensis
    • Colobus angolensis ssp. cordieri
    • Colobus angolensis ssp. cottoni
    • Colobus angolensis ssp. nov.
    • Colobus angolensis ssp. palliatus
    • Colobus angolensis ssp. prigoginei
    • Colobus angolensis ssp. ruwenzorii
    • Colobus angolensis ssp. sharpei
  • Colobus guereza
    • Colobus guereza ssp. dodingae
    • Colobus guereza ssp. gallarum
    • Colobus guereza ssp. guereza
    • Colobus guereza ssp. kikuyuensis
    • Colobus guereza ssp. matschiei
    • Colobus guereza ssp. occidentalis
    • Colobus guereza ssp. percivali
  • Piliocolobus foai
    • No listed subspecies in IUCN. ellioti is a synonym for semlikiensis in IUCN. ASM has it under oustaletti with the note: likely a hybrid swarm between P. oustaleti, P. langi, and P. semlikiensis.
    • IUCN and ASM have Piliocolobus parmentieri as a species.
  • Presbytis hosei
    • IUCN has both subspecies marked as "discarded"
  • Semnopithecus hypoleucos
    • Semnopithecus hypoleucos ssp. achates
    • Semnopithecus hypoleucos ssp. hypoleucos
    • Semnopithecus hypoleucos ssp. iulus
  • Semnopithecus priam
    • Semnopithecus priam ssp. anchises (IUCN has this, but ASM puts it in hypoleucos above)
    • Semnopithecus priam ssp. priam
    • Semnopithecus priam ssp. thersites
  • Simias concolor
    • Simias concolor ssp. concolor
    • Simias concolor ssp. siberu
  • Trachypithecus pileatus
    • Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. brahma
    • Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. durga (discarded)
    • Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. pileatus
    • Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. tenebricus
  • Trachypithecus geei
    • IUCN says subspecies as bhutanensis was not described per ICZN. (listed as nomen nudem in ASM)
  • Trachypithecus germaini
    • IUCN says no subspecies. It doesn't mention caudalis at all. ASM has it here.
  • Trachypithecus ebenus
    • IUCN lumps with Trachypithecus hatinhensis, ASM lists them separately.

Done! - UtherSRG (talk) 15:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@UtherSRG: Right now, subspecies in the list are just whatever was in MSW3 (minus subspecies being promoted to species), so this needs to get into the list at some point. --PresN 19:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN: Thanks again for the work you've done on this and other lists. I'm again back at incorporating the various tables into their genus articles. I see that the list has 3 species for Lophocebus even though IUCN only recognizes 2 (and ASM recognizes all of the listed subspecies as species). I think we should collapse opdenboschi into atterminus so that we have only the two species. What do you think? - UtherSRG (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, it's here because MSW has it ([1]), and since ASM retains it IUCN dropping it doesn't wipe that out. I think you're right, though, ASM has 3 other species IUCN doesn't recognize and if I'm remembering the last conversation we had about this right, for primates MSW should be considered a bit less. --PresN 17:59, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]