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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of cercopithecoids[edit]

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Nominator(s): PresN 04:26, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We continue our journey of animal lists through the primates with this list (#31 in our series of animal FLCs). This list is the second of the six-ish subgroupings of the order Primates; for the last one (lorisoids), I did the superfamily instead of each small family or the entire order/suborder like I normally would, and one of the reasons was this list: a superfamily containing one family, Cercopithecidae, itself containing 159 species. Pushing the limits of how many species I really want to put in a list, but no good way to divide it unless I break it down to subfamilies (which isn't really how readers think of these groups). This group was historically known as "Old World monkeys", because... it's the big family of monkeys that aren't in North/South America. It was a pain to source (for some reason, researchers working in southeast Asia love to document species without ever recording exactly how big they are or what exactly they eat), but it's a big chunk of the order now done. Anyways, as always, the list follows the pattern of the previous lists and reflects previous FLC comments. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 04:26, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by SilverTiger
  • Yes, me again. Anyway, a side question to start with: why is this list of cercopithecids and not list of cercopithecoids to better match list of lorisoids? I understand that it only covers one family, but since the pattern of the primate lists seems to be at the superfamily level, not the family level, it would make more sense to this one to be phrased as a superfamily list too.
  • I went with cercopithecids mostly out of habit from non-Primates, I guess. Right now, it seems like the other divisions are going to be: Lorisoidea (superfamily, 2 families), Lemuroidea (superfamily, 5 families), Hominoidea (superfamily, 2 families), Ceboidea (superfamily, 5 families), and Tarsiiformes or Tarsiidae (infraorder or family). So, the question is are this list and the tarsier list named after the only family in each list to match each other, or are they named after the largest grouping that contains only them (superfamily / infraorder) to match the other 4 Primate lists? I see arguments either way; what do you think? (It's an easy change either way).
  • I favor consistency and so assumed it would be lorisoids, lemuroids, hominoids, ceboids, cercopicethoids, and then tarsiiforms. So I, personally, would choose "List of cercopithecoids" for this one- but as the one writing the lists it is ultimately up to you. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can find no fault in the lede, nor in the Conventions or Classifications sections.
  • Quite a few are missing range maps and/or pictures, I assume because none were available?
  • Yes
  • Black Sumatran langur is missing an entry for diet; the IUCN assessment has this information.
  • Thanks, gap filled.

Otherwise, every looks good. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:26, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SilverTiger12: responded inline, with one question for you. --PresN 18:45, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
With the few issues addressed, I am happy to Support. Good luck. SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • It's getting increasingly hard to pick you up on anything with these lists, but in the interest of at least saying something, I would suggest linking rhizomes, as a comparatively obscure word.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Source review
  • I find these generally pointless, but sure.
  • Ref 3 is missing year
  • Unneeded, the year is to disambiguate which book you mean, but there's only one Wilson/Reeder book cited (and the link takes you there)
  • All the Nowak sfns are missing years, and these are particularly important to distinguish Walker's Mammals of the World from Walker's Primates of the World. I suggest appending the years with letters to differentiate the years; see Template:Sfn/doc#More than one work in a year
  • Whoops, good point, added
  • The Petter and Desbordes refs are missing years too
  • Unneeded, the year is to disambiguate which book you mean, but there's only one Petter/Desbordes book cited (and the link takes you there)

PresN, got nothing else, excellent job on consistency! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 21:54, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MyCatIsAChonk: replied inline, thanks! --PresN 16:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - nice job! BTW, if you get time, would appreciate any comments at this FLC. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 17:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
AK
  • Man this list makes me really want to do a monkey GA, just because of how damn colorful the monkeys are (which, as an aside, I did not know monkeys could be).
  • "Sumatra island in Indonesia" sounds weird, maybe just "Sumatra, Indonesia" or "Island of Sumatra in Indonesia". Also applies to the use of this construction for other Indonesian islands.
  • Done
Image review
  • The photo for sooty mangabey is of a different species. We also have two range maps, although I'm not sure whether they're the most accurate.
  • Hmm, looks like the article never got updated for the split, removing image. According to the IUCN, both maps appear to be pre-split.
  • We have photos for Tana River mangabey.
  • Swapped
  • We have photos for Campbell's mona monkey.
  • Swapped
  • We have photos and a map for Dent's mona monkey.
  • Swapped
  • Swapped; added cropped map
  • Map for Lowe's mona monkey.
  • Added
  • Lots of very good photos for white-throated guenon.
  • Swapped
  • Dryas monkey is one of the cases where the illustration might be better than the photo.
  • Swapped
  • Tantalus monkey photo should be replaced, it is atrociously bad and we have others.
  • Swapped
  • Not part of the review, but that vervet monkey photo is... interesting.
  • A couple photos that are maybe better for Arunachal macaque, might wanna check.
  • Swapped
  • Better photos available for Assam macaque.
  • Swapped
  • Swapped
  • Photo for moor macaque is very poor quality, we have plenty of better ones.
  • Swapped
  • Muta-Baton macaque has a range map available.
  • Added
  • Stump-tailed macaque has photos available. (not the one in its article, one of these would be better)
  • Added
  • The side-on photo for drill doesn't show the distinctive face well, these two are other options.
  • Swapped
  • Swapped
  • Kinda baboon has a somewhat questionable range map available.
  • Added
  • Again not part of the review, but tf is that gelada photo? Weirdest looking monkey I've ever seen.
  • Found a better one that doesn't have two overlapping, but they're still weird looking. Females and juveniles are a bit less so, in terms of proportions, but they all have the odd red bit.
  • Ursine colobus has a photo available, not great but better than the line drawing.
  • Swapped
  • The pennant's colobus image is also used at the Niger Delta red colobus article?
  • Slightly different- they took the same drawing and colored one with a white arm/chest and the other not.
  • We have a photo of Black-crested Sumatran langur.
  • Swapped
  • We seem to have photos of Javan surili.
  • Added
  • For grey shanked douc, this has a clearer view and better quality.
  • Swapped
  • Hatinh langur has photos on Commons.
  • Added
  • Laotian langur has a photo available.
  • Added
  • Tenasserim luting has a stamp illustration available, although I don't get why the Indian government was illustrating a Burmese monkey, so might wanna make sure it's the right species.
  • Seeing evidence elsewhere that it's actually Phayre's leaf monkey, which is in Northeast India, which makes more sense for a stamp series called "Rare Fauna of the North East"
  • We have pretty good photos of live white-headed langurs available, why use one of the specimen?
  • Ambiguity- White-headed langur (T. leucocephalus) was split off from T. francoisi, but that's the only picture in the parent category or subcategories that specifies that it's leucocephalus rather than francoisi. It's possible that some of the zoo pictures are, but I can't tell by looking at them.
  • The licensing is fine for all the photos, almost all of which are self-published works. AryKun (talk) 15:31, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    PresN, courtesy ping. AryKun (talk) 07:27, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @AryKun: All done! Thank you so much for going above and beyond on this review- I usually just grab whatever image is in the species' infobox, but some of the ones you found really are much better. --PresN 21:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright, that’s a pass image review and support on prose from me. Someone really should go and update the species articles with the images from this list, but that’s not relevant to this.AryKun (talk) 03:37, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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