Talk:Lyman Trumbull

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Trumbull and Stephen Douglas[edit]

02:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)68.38.26.236J I find the note that Lyman Trumbull served "along side" Stephen A. Douglas amusing and inaccurate.

Before the 1856 Election James Shields was the Junior Senator from Illinois. Shields was a Douglas Democrat and Stephen Douglas very much wanted him re-elected.

Shields ran on the regular Democratic ticket. Abraham Lincoln was the Republican. Lyman Trumbull ran as a Free Soil Democrat. Stephen Douglas despised Free Soil Democrats in general and Lyman Trumbull in particular. They were worst than the hated Republican Abolitionists because they were turncoat Democrats and their betrayal threatened the national party. In those days Illinois had indirect election of Senator with each member of the Illinois Legislature having one vote. During the election Lincoln ran well but not quite well enough. Rather than see a regular Democrat elected he turned his vote over to Trumbull who opposed Douglas even more strongly than Lincoln did. Trumbull won. It was a real defeat for Douglas.68.38.26.236 02:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)John Rydberg[reply]

POV issue[edit]

Currently,[1] the article contains the following sentence:

All seven Senators, resisting every manner of pressure imposed on them, broke party ranks and defied public opinion, voting for acquittal—and AGAINST elevating their party above the Constitution—in a principled act of what they all knew was political suicide.

I've got some issues with this.

First of all, the use of bold italics and all caps on the word "against" is a clue that someone is pushing some POV with this--that much emphasis is likely the work of someone unfamiliar with our policies on WP:NPOV.
Secondly, the source cited has nothing that I see in it explaining about this "group" of seven senators. It doesn't specifically support the notion that anyone was "against elevating their party above the Constitution".

I'm going to amend this, but I will leave in the part about them committing political suicide; while that should be sourced, it does strike me as plausible and objective. (I would like to see it documented, however, that there was a Gang of Seven [intentional insertion of neologism there] and that none of them were re-elected.) HuskyHuskie (talk) 20:35, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Citation in Trump Hearing 12/4/2019[edit]

Might Trumbull or citations of Trumbull appear in contemporary American culture?MaynardClark (talk) 18:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Cash cards" in the Butler investigation following Johnson's impeachment trial[edit]

The article states:

After the trial, Representative Ben Butler of Massachusetts conducted hearings in the House on widespread reports that Republican senators had been bribed to vote for Johnson's acquittal. Butler's hearings and subsequent inquiries revealed evidence that some acquittal votes were acquired by promises of patronage jobs and cash cards.

The sentence was added by this anonymous edit in 2012. The reference does exist (ISBN 1416547495) and appears to largely corroborate the edit, but both that source and the corresponding section of Johnson's impeachment article make no mention of, nor otherwise make plain the intended meaning of, "cash cards" as used in the quote. Is anyone able to shed more light on the terminology used by our anonymous, erstwhile co-editor? Otherwise, I feel the word "cards" should simply be struck from the text of the article. Jouster (Talk) 06:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]