Talk:María de los Ángeles Pineda Villa

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POV[edit]

@Bgwhite: Hi! You tagged the article with the POV template. I mentioned it at WP:NPOVN.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mayor-43-students-speaks_us_562d28afe4b0ec0a3894c62c

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/iachr-report-on-iguala-mexico-massacre-offers-no-closure

I cannot understand Spanish, can you? Or do you know someone who can? (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 21:54, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Quixotic Potato, if I remember right, Cymru.lass and JMabel both do. I always thought a Welsh lass knowing Spanish and not her native tongue, Cymraeg, is gorffwyll. Bgwhite (talk) 05:42, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Cymru.lass: Hi! Do you speak Spanish? (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I do speak Spanish, but my Spanish is highly dialectal (is that even a word?), so I'm really only useful translating Spanish → English and not the other way 'round. What seems to be the issue? cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 00:45, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Cymru.lass: Well, @Bgwhite: tagged the article as POV. I checked some sources in English (see above) but most of the sources were in Spanish so I was hoping to find someone who speaks Spanish and is able (and willing) to fix the POV problem indicated by Bgwhite. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 22:05, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This page was created as part of a wikiedu.org course project. I'm the professor for that course. If you read the page, you'll see a lot of "evidence indicates" and "it is implied." I believe the way things are worded in English is the PoV conflict. I'm not an expert on Wikipedia's views on PoV. The subject is organized crime and a high-level politician. Facts can often be fluid in such situations. I hope this helps your decision making. @Helaine (Wiki Ed): Can you take a look at this? Bellicist (talk) 19:03, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bellicist! I think that you're right in that the wording is the issue here, so some of this could likely be resolved by attributing it to the specific source/person stating the claims. While it looks incredibly likely that she's guilty, the article shouldn't read like it leans towards one viewpoint or another as to her guilt or innocence. With claims like "Evidence suggests that state officials, namely Governor Ángel Aguirre of Guerrero, were aware of Mayor Abarca and Maria Pineda's criminal ties.", that definitely needs to be attributed, re-written, and very strongly sourced (ie, more than one source) or it needs to be removed entirely. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:21, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]