Talk:Muttahida Qaumi Movement/Archive 1

Archive 1

only general characteristic generally agreed upon is that terrorism involves violence and the threat of violence

This article and its contents mirror that of the wikipedia article for 'Muhajir Urdu'. I encourage the people that are presenting neutral views on this article to review the materials and information there as well since that article is looking like a MQM web-page, rather than neutral article on 'Urdu-Speakers'.

Two Mistakes

MQM was not created by ISI..it evolved due to suppression of Muhajirs by quota system. MQM does not represent Muslims only. It represents all Muhajirs regardless or origin, language and religion.

Someome please correct that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mailnotwanted (talk • contribs) 03:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

all mahajirs originate frm diferent part of india they fought the war and came to pakistan because they wanted freedom frm christian and hindu rule so all real mahajirs are muslims sunni or shiits so u can call urself an urdu speaker but not true mahajir !! Supersaiyan474 (talk) 14:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Creation By ISI It is widely speculated that Brig. Rt.Iftikhar was considered the chief player behind MQM creation.Zia was on his backing.The reason was to divide the power in Sindh which was anti establishment ever since the hanging of Bhutto.

Bihari Question MQM has since withdrawn on it's demand for Bihari resettlements.The reason is quite clear.The Bihari symphaties lie with PML - N whose leader Nawaz Sharif acted in person and in good faith for resettelement and refurbishment of many Biharis.Nawaz Sharif has been personally endorsed by Naseem Khan,the refugee leader.The trouble is,Nawaz brought in some refugees to Punjab but the hastily moved out to Karachi and more said theyu wanted to move and settle in Karachi which was their lingo center,rather Punjab.MQM saw it as a threat to it's power as Biharis would certainkly have voted Nawaz League hence they started hurdling in resettling Biharis.Ask any MQM leader the Bihari question today and he will start blubbering cause he is not loyal to Muhajir cause any more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.173.93 (talk) 10:49, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

NPOV

I added a NPOV dispute tag to the main page. The article paraphrases quotes from the MQM's website in lieu of independent sources and uses exhaggerated language without supporting citations. More seriously, the MQM's use of violence is glossed over (referred to as "controversies") while the government's use of violence against the MQM is highlighted. sunbird (talk) 17:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Where's the Truth?

Siddiqui, why do you keep on changing it? Either remove this article from Wikipedia, or let us modify it to put it in the right perspective. In current state it looks like MQM's official website. The modifications that I made were very balanced, and were not critical of Muhajirs as a community or the current political standing of MQM. Previousy, you even took off my remarks on MQM talk. Feb. 27, 2006 PeterHenych

I wrote one paragraph in 'Background section:

The Muhajirs only constituted 7% of the Pakistani population but monopolized most of it's bureaucracy due to their higher educational levels and participitation in Pakistan's freedom movement. This created resentment in other linguistic and ethnic groups of Pakistan. The consecutive Pakistani governments tried to create balance by introducing job quotas in bureaucracy and higher educational institutions to help other ethnic and linguistic groups to get their fair representation comparable to their share in the Pakistani population. This affirmative action by the government of Pakistan was resented by the Muhajirs who preferred qualification and merit as the only criteria for jobs and admission into universities.

I also wrote:

Opposing views

It is generally believed in Pakistan that MQM was created by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), main military intelligence agency in Pakistan. It was created to break the stronghold of Benazir Bhutto in her home province, Sindh. ISI believed that the ethnic tension between Sindhis and Muhajirs will distract Benazir Bhutto and her political party, Pakistan Peoples Party, from launching campaign against the military government of General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq. Altaf Hussain was living in Chicago at that time and he was called to form a Muhajir ethnic political party with funds supplied by ISI.

The success of MQM in attracting support of Muhjairs both surprised and scared the ISI. This unexpected popularity helped MQM to chart it's own independent political course rather than follow the ISI agenda. MQM went out of control of ISI and began a violent struggle for Muhajirs that turned Karachi into a virtual war-zone. In 1992, after months of extreme violence by the MQM, Pakistan Army launched a military operation to restore law and order in Karachi. The MQM gunmen were killed or arrested, armories and torture rooms were destroyed. The Army involvement is an indication of the seriousness of the crisis that MQM perpetrated in Karachi. Since the army operation and subsequent heavy activities of Pakistani police and paramilitary, the MQM has given up it's violent activities.

Now you discuss what changes you want to make. Remember there are some MQM members that may not agree with your changes but we must discuss them and agree to a comprimise.

Siddiqui 02:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't get what part of my modifications was incorrect. MQM did have a terrible histroy. Note that I am not talking about present. Thats why in my modifications I insisted that people who were violent, are no longer part of the party. In current state it does not look like a serious article and suffers from credibility issues. Please don't use these pages to further your agendas.

And why did you remove my comments from this page?

PeterHenych Feb. 28, 2006

We are not reaching to a conclusion. You are not replying to my posts on this page. Instead you are trying to terrorize me by posting messages on my talk page and using the words like MQM supporters. Please keep words like that to your constituency, for instance mqm.org.

PeterHenych Feb. 28, 2006

About updating article

Dear All,

I have updated this article today. Whatever I corrected or added, is generally accepted view, and I give proper source of the event. Moreover, I did not touch opposing view segment of the article, since all has right to express their views as per given rules.

But there are many in Pakistan who do not like MQM and Muhajirs, and always try to demonize them by hook or crook. No one should damage ones image and deny ones existence by exploiting public encyclopedia like wikipedia. Such contributors may put their viewpoint under the heading of Opposing views.

User:M.Imran, 13:27 UT, January 21, 2006

You can add some Urdu speaking Muhajirs from Karachi who do not like the tactics and extreme violence of Altaf Hussain and MQM and I am one of them. It may come as a surprise to you but the truth is that 100% of Muhajir do not support MQM. There is a significant percentage that oppose Altaf Hussain and MQM. You cannot lecture me since me and my family lived in Karachi and saw what happened. In any case, Wikipedia must represent both views.

Siddiqui 14:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Do you think something should be added to this article regarding Benazir's crackdown on MQM, the subsequent army action and the strong support that followed in Karachi's youth. I think its important to include that information. Fkh82

Siddiqui! Since there exist uncountable examples, where a political party does not possess cent percent support from its birthtown. And it is an open secret that all Muhajirs do not support MQM (even in my family too). And it is not a matter of surprise for me, as I myself is a Karachiite. Even there are many Urdu-speaking who discourage MQM at many fronts and they have right. But what does this indicate? It allows us to distort once image. Lots of people oppose Nawaz Sharif, Benazir, Ch. Shujaat etc. and their policies. Take the example of politics of M.A. Jinnah. There were more opponents than supporters of partition of India. But does this allow that we put all this views in the main wiki article Jinnah. Obviously not. Similarly there are lots of political parties, personalities and ethnic groups whose past is full of contradictory sayings and actions. Today, a large number of Muslims even westerners do not like Blair and Bush policies. But just look at their pages, general information is not replaced by opposing views. You may put your views separately rather mixing it with main article.

User:M.Imran, 01:25, February 21, 2006 (UTC)

I think other pages have their own views. I cannot tell everybody the violence that went on in Karachi at behest of MQM. I saw what happened and heard many first hand accounts. I wrote the Opposing Views section as a very sanitized and civilized paragraph acceptable to Wikipedia. If I wrote what I saw and heard then it would not meet those rules.

Siddiqui 13:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

This page is target of vandalism by many anonymous persons. All the illegal changes will be reverted. -- User:Siddiqui 17:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

This page is only target of vandalism by you - Mr. Siddiqui. The number of misleading changes you made is more than many times by rest of all contributors.

Your personal views and dislikeness for Urdu-speaking people, MQM and Altaf Hussain can not be generalized. Even if you want to express different views about MQM then you may put them under heading of Opposing views . But please dont distort the whole article. Misleading information is much harmful than ignorance.

User:M.Imran 11:15 UT, January 13, 2006

Do not delete any section or paragraph without first creating a consensus.

Siddiqui 14:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism has been a major problem on this page since the riots of May 12. For admins who have an interest in this topic, please add it to your Watch list and make sure additions remain academic, despite however we ourselves may feel about MQM. Afinebalance 12:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Why was Category:Political parties of minorities removed ?

I went back to see when and by whom this category was suppressed, I can't understand why Siddiqui suppressed it, the MQM was from its birth a party aiming at representing an ethnic minority. I put this category back. Even if this party has evolved and attracted non-ethnic voters, its categorization remains useful for comparison with other silmilar parties in the world. --Pylambert 12:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree to you Pylambert. User:Siddiqui not only removed widely accepted view but also attempted to demonize MQM and Muhajir by putting biased facts and fadged information. Unfortunately User:Spasage also reverted changes, without reading changed material.

User:M.Imran, 13:17 UT, January 21, 2006

I did not try to demonize MQM but presented neutral view. As a Muhajir from Karachi, I also know the issues involved in rise of MQM and its faults and achievements. So I am not adding any "biased facts and fadged information". It is the truth of the dark side of MQM. I have tried to present neutral view in taking account views from all sides.

• "The Muhajirs only constituted 7% of the Pakistani population but monopolized most of it's bureaucracy due to their higher educational levels and participitation in Pakistan's freedom movement. This created resentment in other linguistic and ethnic groups of Pakistan. The consecutive Pakistani governments tried to create balance by introducing job quotas in bureaucracy and higher educational institutions to help other ethnic and linguistic groups to get their fair representation comparable to their share in the Pakistani population. This affirmative action by the government of Pakistan was resented by the Muhajirs who preferred qualification and merit as the only criteria for jobs and admission into universities."

Can you point out any bias in above paragraph that you deleted.

Siddiqui 13:38, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Why I deleted the above paragraph

No one argued that Muhajirs are more than eight percent of the total population of Pakistan, but the question in which context the statistic is used. The first sentence of the paragraph use the word, “monopolized”. Now lets see what does it mean. It is basically a term from Economics that portrays, “an exclusive control, while excluding all others”. Now which standard and unbiased source says that Muhajirs excluded and intentionally attempted to corner Sindhis and Punjabis in bureaucracy. Can you provide the statistics that signify how and when capable Sindhis and Punjabis were excluded by Muhajirs in civil services and bureaucracy.

Now in the next sentence you provided the effect of above cause. That is, “This created resentment in other linguistic and ethnic groups of Pakistan.” Now tell how many ethnic conflicts and clashes in Karachi and Hyderabad were based on the issue of monopolizing jobs in bureaucracy by MQM workers or even last generation Muhajirs. Then you come up with the argument that Muhajirs resented the quota system by Government of Pakistan. Well, the fact is that Muhajirs opposes the continuation of quota system rather its first promulgation. Bhutto imposed quota system (on the basis of population allocation) for few years in order to decrease the urban-rural inequality, but later Zia martial law did not lift the quota system as promised by the government. And this quota system is still part and parcel of government policy even after 30 years. MQM opposes the illegal elongation and extension of quota system rather its first imposition.

• First of all, it should be cleared that clashed between MQM and other ethnic groups' political activist have occurred during mid and late 1980s. And the basis of those clashes were not, what you inferred. Please see back issues of The daily Dawn, The News and other authentic sources, including official publications and chronology of Pakistan.

• While, during 1990s, a series of conflict between government and civilians have been occurred. This was fueled by 1992 military operation. During 1990 there was no direct or indirect conflict between Muhajirs and any other ethnic group of Pakistan. That was a strife between government (security forces, rangers and police) and MQM political activists, specially between 1991 - 1996.

User:M.Imran, 01:25, February 21, 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, we were discussing this paragraph and you again deleted it. This is unacceptable. I have reverted your deletion. We have to agree to one of these three options: a) Include it; b) Delete it; c) Modify it. We need to discuss these issues.

Secondly, You may also recall that Sindh government declared Sindhi as official language of the province and Muhajir resented that decision. It was stayed for 10 years and has not been implemented in last 30 years. If we support end of quota system then we must also support Sindhi as official language of Sindh province. We should also support its inclusion in school, colleges and universities. We should also support it as a criteria for provincial jobs and admission in universities. All muncipalities in Sindh will also have adhere to provincial official language policy.

The real question is how many Muhajirs do speak Sindhi after living nealry four generation in Sindh ?

Siddiqui 14:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

The purpose of deletion from my end, says that it is not acceptable (on account of one-sided information it contains, rather facts).

In this reply, you are deviating from the issue. The issue is argument and inference in the mentioned paragraph, which is not unbiased. Instead of answering the arguments, you jumped to another topic and criticized the MQM past. Dont merge quota system with language issue. By the way, Sindhi has the status of official language of the province since Bhutto regime, along with Urdu. Still today, Sindhi is a part of compulsory subject in all public schools till matriculation in Sindh. Simultanesouly one is allowed to give any paper in Sindhi language.

Since we are discussion the historical and logical reliability of the paragraph, which does include the issue you hilighted that The real question is how many Muhajirs do speak Sindhi after living nealry four generation in Sindh ? Well, learning languages is issue of social and economic preferences that depends upon the its historical association, richness and acceptability of the language. Moreover, MQM endorsed and appreciated the promulgation of Sindhi language (few months back) in the province at college level. If you criticizes the past then also appreciate the present. But if you are only keen to pinpoint faults then dont forget this is not the heaven and we are not the angels.

Re-read the paragraph and provide the historical sources, if any.

User:M.Imran 14:40, February 21, 2006 (UTC)

Resetting Tabs

If my paragraph deemed on sided by you then following paragraph in the same section should also be deemed one sided.

Official discrimination against Muhajirs began in 1958 when General Muhammad Ayub Khan seized the presidency of Pakistan in a military coup. General Ayub Khan systematically eliminated Muhajirs from important positions in the civil service, bureaucracy and local government. The subsequent administration of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto of nationalizing Muhajir businesses, unfairly taxing them and enforcing quota system at university seats and governments vacancies.

The Sindhis will demand the restoration of Sindhi as a sole official language of Sindh as it was initially passed by Sindh assembly in 1973-74. It was riots by Muhajir that forced Bhutto to include Urdu as a co-official language. If you open the pandora's box then you will find many unexpected choices. The status quo is the best solution.

Siddiqui 14:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I must caution User:M.Imran not to vandalize the MQM page. Siddiqui 20:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree with Mr SiddiquiNadirali 04:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree with Mr Siddiqui too--Ajmalahmedkhan 11:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Changed some wording in the " clashes with political parties " . I thought the previously written subsection had a very hostile tone against Imran khan. Possibly Vandalism. Also added a line after watching the recorded interview last night , and added a link to its summary ,although since its my first edit i may have got the format a Tad Wrong

BedheadPak 08:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Who... What?

This is an informative article but there is room for improvement. Since I am just an observer and do not know much about the subject at hand I request that someone initiate some improvements...

For example there are a lot of references to people and events that are not in this encyclopedia and context missing. To start: Who is Azim Tariq? What is his affiliation with MQM?

Edits by M12390

I don't want to have to report M12390 but he/she seems to paste the same newsweek article everywhere. Link to the article and simply don't overwrite other people. You might be an MQM supporter and not like what other people write but simply because they do not agree with you does not make them anti-MQM as you like labelling other people. Please contribute positively. Regards.Shehzadashiq 19:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to constructively work with M12390. His talk pages can be looked at for proof of this. However as he does not want to engage in constructive editing any chnages from now will be reverted as vandalism immediately.Shehzadashiq 13:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to constructively work with your version, but you and Muamshai continue to insist on a negative starting point of view. Let the neutral point of view prevail. Let's agree on certain neutral elements in the page and build from there. I know enough about MQM, and I don't need to shove my negativity or positivity down people's throat. People are smart enough to know when a page has a negative bais from the get go. If you insist on vandalism instead on constructive development of the page, then I will revert your vandalism immediately. M12390 23:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Shehzadashiq: I can give your suggestion from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Shehzadashiq a try with the following sub-conditions:

1. We study other pages which have acheived high quality ratings and then come up with a framework for Altaf Hussain and MQM pages.

2. We divide these pages in two sections. The top section contains mostly official/positive data, which can be countered with negative data. The bottom secion contains controversies/accusations, which can be countered with postive/official data. Anyone should be able to challenge any third-party source, and the user of the source has to justify the quality of data, and the neutrality of the source. If the user of the source cannot justify the neutrality of the source, then that item gets kicked out. M12390 01:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Shehzadashiq didn't we agree to work together? I haven't changed any of your edits yet so what do you want to do? Do you want us to work in partnership or do we have to go back to editing things? If possible why not edit the talk page, notify me and then we can discuss it civily. After all it is nearly 14 August :)Shehzadashiq 15:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Shehzadashiq: I suggested the sub-conditions, primarily as a more focused gameplan. If you agree to the above gameplan, and convince Muamshai to stop whining, then we can definitely work together and hopefully have better readable pages, not only on MQM and Altaf Hussain, but other important pages related to Pakistan. Thanks. M12390 16:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Consistent Vandalism and Page Hogging By Shehzadashiq and Muashai

This page should neither be run be MQM-lovers nor MQM-haters. As I suggested earlier, let's agree on bringing neutrality to the page. I think that is fair. M12390 21:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Page's Structure

Based on my agreement with Shahzadashiq, and hopfully with Muamshai, above, I suggest that the structure of this page should be modified to reflect something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29

All the information stays, but the structure is changed and the information is shuffled among the agreed-upon sections. M12390 04:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

What does Muttahida Qaumi mean?

What does Muttahida Qaumi mean in English? This should appear at the start of the article. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 03:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

It means united national movement in Urdu. Noor Aalam (talk) 19:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. What is the Urdu name of the Pakistan Peoples Party? (In the Roman alphabet). Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 03:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

In urdu and english the party is called pakistan peoples party, ppp, or peoples party. the translation of pakistan peoples party would be "pakistan awami jamaat", however i have never seen this used to describe the party. Noor Aalam (talk) 19:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

So when Pakistanis are speaking to each other in Urdu, they say "Pakistan Peoples Party" in English? How strange. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 09:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

'Pakistan Awami Jamaat' would be a hypotetical translation of PPP. In urdu, the name PPP is written پاکستان پیپلز پارٹی, literally pakistan piplz parti. Strange? Thats what a few centuries of colonialism does. Note that Muslim League, is also muslim lig in urdu. Jamaat-e-Islami is a Persian name (i'm not sure whether this is seems as 'un-urdu-ish' though. But more direct urdu grammar would be 'Islami Jamaat'). MQM combines both urdu and english words in its name. Awami National Party also combines but Urdu and English terms in their name, but in Pashto they do a full translation of the English terms (not sure is 'Awami' is not a Pashto word, would guess that it wasn't). --Soman (talk) 10:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, Pakistan's had 60 years to get over colonialism, and most of it was British-ruled for a century or less (Sindh 1843, Punjab 1849, Baluchistan 1876). Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 11:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

a bit of topic, but anyway; note that Urdu language is not the native tongue of the regions of Pakistan, but brought into the political system and culture from what today is northern India. Thus the colonial heritage of the Pakistani political elite is not necessarily following the exact same chronology as British rule in the areas today making up Pakistan. --Soman (talk) 12:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

SELFPUB

In accordance with WP:SELFPUB, we should keep MQM's self-published theory to a reasonable level and not treat them as fact on contentious matters.Bless sins (talk) 05:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

May 12,2007 Riots

The May 12,2007 Riots section needs to be cleaned up and needs better NPOV, it looks like someone tried to advocate for them and failed.69.201.144.162 (talk) 11:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

oh please!

Why does this aticle say that MQM wants to make karachi a separate PROVINCE every mahajir wants that to happen even the MQM opposing mahajirs .We urdu speakers also have our rights! and that statement karachi should be separate province is perfeck because karachi is far more developed than the rest of sindh and most parts of pakistan.

Extreme Biased page!!

Dear all, Why dont you guys just put unbiased, neutral view of MQM?...Get some stuff from their websites..:DD And secondly y are we arguing, Politicans are doing a bloody good job in TV channels.. Why here?

I didnt like the part where : Altaf Hussain - Founder and leader.A student who was stopped my the Administration of Karachi University to take admission in Bachelor of Pharmacy however he had got more than satisfactory marks in his (Bachelor of Science degree from Islamia College Karachi) to get his admission in Karachi University's Pharmacy department so Altaf Hussain and the colleagues who were stopped by the University to get the university's education made several of protests (including hunger strike) to record their eligibility rights in front of the administration of University. His struggle got success and administration gave them admission in the University

Have u got a reference for that ? if not, y put it here.. Its not credible :D

The second part which is quite pathetic: MQM are/were famous for their slogans such as "Sell Your TV and Buy Guns" etc..

Have u got a reference for it?? if not, y put it here:D This is just discrimination ....

It seem it is written by 13 yr old child who had nothing better to do other than to vandalizin this page.:DD Peace all

how dare u make fun of 13 -12 yrs old were smarter than u old man! Supersaiyan474 (talk) 16:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Famir (talk) 14:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)Farhan Amir Siddiqui14:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== mqm is not a terrorist ==mqm is not a terrorist if any body have any prove that mqm is a terrorist Party so plzz prove it .. i say that mqm is not a terrorist party .

who say mqm is a terrorist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.122.4 (talk) 18:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

pppp,pml-n,jamate islami,tehreeke insaaf,anp they all are terrorist

how can theu call mqm is terrorist party? they have any prove?i chalenge them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.122.4 (talk) 19:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Political Ideology section looks like it's just a big quote

The whole section needs to be rewritten, because it sounds like it's just a big quote from the leader of the movement, which fills it with weasel words.M4bwav (talk) 18:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Terrorism Allegations

As for the June killings... The paragraph clearly stated that these were the allegations. Para didn't state that it is a fact. Hence i find no reason to seek Sindh court here. And for the link to canadian court decison. I completely agree with you. the quality of evidence was objected upon by court. But you perhaps forgot the explanation about removing the sentence relating to the US report statement. I hope we can discuss it here before reverting each others edits again.Hamza ^{[ talk ]} 06:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Keep The Article Neutral

I have just changed few sentences to keep the article neutral. Kindly, when ever you cite a reliable source, place in the correct wordings, forexample US Government in its report mentions MQM and its Opponents as responsible for target killings and not just MQM. Again, kindly keep your political views aside while editing wikipedia. It can't make MQM good or bad. Sarmadhassan (talk) 08:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Adding Information About What I Have Done

I have overhauled the article, including terrorism allegations which are taken from highly reliable sources such as UNHCR, US Gov official reports on the party and Sindh. Also added the latest denial of Jinnah Pur controversy from senior intelligence officers. A section called Party Structure has been added to show how party works. I tried to find valid sources which explains the party hierarchy and names Rabita Committee members, but unfortunately even the official site of MQM do not state this. If you find any reliable source kindly add it in and the article will be much more complete. Sarmadhassan (talk) 08:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Reversion to Feb 8, 2010 version

Article has been heavily vandalized so i have reverted to the feb 8 version. I am now going to go over all later edits one by one and add back all the legit edits. I hopefully restore it fully in few days.—  Hamza  ^{[ talk ]} 10:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Some edits by AlphaGamma1991 were unreferenced. So i have largely avoided them except some have been restored.—  Hamza  ^{[ talk ]} 10:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Reversion on July 5, 2010

I partially undid the edit by 58.27.169.18. The APMSO sentence was reverted because it was almost quoted from the CRS Report to Congress which is given in references. The earlier sentence which was "To due the effort of ethno-nationalist politicians,the city that was once the most peaceful in Pakistan saw ethnic rivalry" was deleted because it is an unreferenced fact. This is a sensitive article. So let's keep the conflicting opinions at bay and keep most of the material referenced.—  Hamza  ^{[ talk ]} 17:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Sonia Jhonson edits, August 2010

This is to discuss this, this, and this edit by User:Sonia Jhonson. MQM is fourth largest party as per the official statistics by Election Commission of Pakistan document. Even on the provincial level, it is not the largest either (as per this document of election commission). Although given the historic events and party's potential to mobilize people in Karachi and its peripheries, the second sentence of article mentions it. This is the reason why I reverted your edits. The rest is uncited POV, which is why it was reverted. Can you kindly provide citations for your edits? I hope we can discuss it out.—  Hamza  ^{[ talk ]} 20:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

ABOUT MUTTAHIDA QAUMI MOVEMENT

The general concept of politics in Pakistani society is very disturbing. Hussain was born in a poor locality of Karachi and still his father is unknown person. As with every other child he was a keen desirer of politics. After completing his B.S.C he was able to get admission in Karachi University (Pharmacy). Soon he became appalled by the absurd political situation at the University; there were a number of political parties working for their people, but no one was representing Muhajirs. Muhajirs are those people who migrated from India at the time of Independence of Pakistan fearing that Hindus of India would kill them and the Hindus of current Pakistan went to India with the same fear. Ironically Muhajirs were provided properties of the Hindus worth billions as Hindus were traders, businessmen and educated while the Muhajirs coming from India had no property left in India. While He claimed that Muhajirs who had sacrificed their lives, left their homeland, their property for the sake of Pakistan, were now left alone and their rights were not protected. He claimed that a person living in Karachi or any other city must get all resources that are the rights of every citizen. Muhajirs were always discriminated on their on their socio economic issues and their rights were not protected by the government. They were living the life of third degree citizens in their own country.

After such disappointing behavior by the University officials he started working for the cause of the poor and middle class students of University. He also spoke about the fact that the government is not the property of landlords and that it could also be ruled by well-educated and intelligent middle class individuals from the nation.

On 11th June 1978 he formed the “ALL PAKISTAN MUHAJIR STUDENTS ORGANIZATION”. After its establishment a bulk of students started supporting it. APMSO won 900 votes from all over the university in the general elections 1980. To gain national acceptance A.P.M.S.O converted into the “All Pakistan Muttahidda Students Organization” on June 11, 2006. APMSO claims its sole aim is to provide justice, and for this cause it has also established international communities which are spread all over the world. APMSO, a student’s organization which is now providing its efforts and resources since 1978 now also has the credit of being the most popular student’s organization in Pakistan since then. Many leaders have arisen from the platform provided by Hussain.

By 1984 APMSO’s message has spread along each nook and corner of province of Sindh. Several hundred units have been formed and hence a formation of its public wing was been demanded by general Muhajir population. Due to this need Mr. Altaf Hussain formed “Muhajir Quami Movement” (MQM) on March 18, 1984 which was later transformed into "Muttahida Qaumi Movement" (MQM) on July 26,1997. --Sonia jhonsan (talk) 09:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Please stop removing the cited material. What you added was mostly opinion or material which was already mentioned. Kindly cite your material from reliable sources when adding it.—  Hamza  ^{[ talk ]} 05:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Its WIKIPEIDA not a political blog

Please everyone when writing something about political stuff, plz remain neutral..Dont mention Punjabi, sindhi, etcHunterZone (talk) 11:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)