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"ABC1F1"[edit]

I know its Ireland, but the Irish Independent mentioned a readership figure for "ABC1F1" readers. Now, theres no F on this scale, let alone an F1. This seems to be something that was invented by them, but does anyone have any idea what the F1 refers to? --Kiand 18:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, a Google for ABC1F1 does bring a few hits. There is C2DEF2 also. I wonder if it's stay at home workers? Davidbod 17:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
F1 and F2 are large and small Farmers respectively (a source). -- zzuuzz (talk) 11:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Old System[edit]

We should list the old system aswell. Jooler 10:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No grade above upper middle?[edit]

How can it be middle, if there's nothing above it? Or does the upper class not read? --Markzero 21:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • They probably account for 0.5% of the population or less, so are hardly worth categorising. Davidbod 10:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, so are they listed as "none of the above?" Or downgraded to A? --Markzero 10:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What a pointless system[edit]

How is a librarian in a higher class than an officer manager? Do the people who made this actually live in the 21st century? And no upper class? 2% they may be but what's the point of a scale where people are missed out? A complete joke. Cls14 (talk) 23:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A librarian requires a master's degree, it's a profession which demands a strong education. It doesn't mention office manager in the list. In the category below is office WORKER, which does not require any particular education. It's worth bearing in mind that what you think a librarian is may in fact be a library assistant, which does belong in the class below under office worker, as it doesn't require particular qualifications. A librarian can earn very good money, up to around £50,000 and sometimes more. The start pay is higher than teachers and nurses, which are in the same class

It's strange though that family background doesn't count in these things. According to this list I'm middle class, but my family background was working class. Also although I'm middle class I still can't afford to buy a place to live or own a car though... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.38.112 (talk) 14:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Librarians practically embody the values of the upper middle class. I'd find it hard to describe them as anything else. An office manager, on the other hand, may very well read the Sun (depending on the office). --129.11.12.201 (talk) 18:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Occupation list[edit]

Where on earth has this occupation list come from? - it certainly isn't on the official site. With Surveryors a social class above solicitors, and and accountants alongside librarians, it is apparent something has gone wrong here. Can we use the definitions from the official website rather than an opinionated list of professions?--Zoso Jade (talk) 23:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The list is gone, but two years passed and it's still looks very odd; how come a $100K/year (average) longshoreman be two grades below $30,000K (average) "clerical or administrative"? Oh, yes, these are US numbers, but it shouldn't be that different for the UK. Low-level desk jobs don't pay well, anywhere. The gap between "clerical" and "professional" also seems too wide to fit in a single class. Aren't they pursuing some oldtimey, Dickensian view on "estates of the realm"? NVO (talk) 18:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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