Talk:National Express East Anglia/Archive 1

Criticism

Mrsteviec has added a NPOV tag to the criticism section, which upon reflection seems justified. I've attempted to make it more balanced. I've also removed some bits which cite no sources. I think it still needs some work, but hopefully its a start! RicDod 12:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it is much better than it was, but as Ricdod says: more work needed. For instance, the West Anglia tt changes in Dec 2005 did contain some improvements (15 min airport services all day, used to be only 30 min services in the peak), obviously at the expense of other services. Might be worth making clear that the Dec 2004 major tt change was for 'one' GE, Dec 2005 for 'one' WA. Might also be worth specifying how many stations lost their off-peak service, rather than saying an unquantified 'some'. Rushey Platt 19:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

if you think the above, why not alter it yourself?

Pictures

There have been a lot of changes to the pictures of late and we have ended up in a situation whereby there are two of the same pic in one article. Can someone maybe replace, preferably the second, Class 170 picture with something else - possiblly a sprinter of some kind. --wozza 16:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

If you see a duplicate picture just substitute it or remove it. Commons has a category of pictures of 'One' trains - Commons:Category:One (train operating company). We don't have many pictures, but I've replaced the second 170 with a Class 317 (it was a toss up between that and a Class 156, but as we already have a DMU I went for teh EMU). Please upload any photos you have to the Commons and put them in that gallery - I live in Somerset so I don't get much chance to photograph 'One' trains. Thryduulf 18:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I quite like that picture, thanks for altering it - I would change it myself but I'm relatively new and only just getting to grips with wikipedia and didn't want to mess the article up --wozza 09:34, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

The joy of a wiki is that you can have a go, and if you mess it up it can easily be fixed by you or someone else - for example by reverting (see Help:Reverting to learn how). I don't think there is anything a normal user can do that cannot be fixed - if you don't know how to do it yourself ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance), Wikipedia:Help desk, the article talk page, the talk page of another user, or several other places! Thryduulf 09:52, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

'one'

Any support moving this to 'one'. A quick visit to their website reveals this is the way it is always represented in text. MRSC 06:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

very weak oppose - I dislike it, but I don't have any compelling reasons for this. It is ugly (imho of course) and is only done to make it clear that it is referring to the company and not the number in sentences, I've never seen it as 'one' in a list or info table for example (see [1] and [2]). "X (train operating compay)" is the standard naming scheme for UK TOC's that require disambiguation - e.g. Thameslink (train operating company). Thryduulf 10:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I could go either way on it although it does seem to be most common naming and much simpler than the current. The ATOC National Rail website IMO is poorly written and has frequent mistakes. Where 'one' refer to themselves in text, it is this form that is always used. MRSC 11:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

No major objections in a week so I've moved the article. Now there is the task to also clean up the variety of ways the name is represented in articles:

• One
• 'One'
• one
• One railway
• One Railway
• one railway
• 'One' railway etc. MRSC 08:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The use of "one" and 'one's' in the article is highly confusing. Could these sentences be reworded to avoid this? Eg The name 'one' emphasizes the bringing together... and ...in the year to 4 February 2006 the company's overall performance... Nicgarner 08:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Use of non-conventional case is bad style

I oppose the use of lower case o in this context. A company name is a proper noun and therefore starts with a capital letter: "Easyjet", "Adidas", "One", etc. The single quotes are appropriate here because of the ambiguity. The article should be called One Railway.Nankai 21:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that Easyjet (for example) use a capital letter in their name, 'one' don't. See their own website at http://www.onerailway.com/ Mark126 19:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Encyclopedically, one should represent things the way they are, not how we wish they were.

However, 'one' is how the company call themselves, as noted on their website. As it is a brand name, it does not -need- to be a 'proper noun'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.17.24 (talk) 15:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The company is branded 'one' not One. The article should reflect this and the sources used to produce it. Although this situation will only last a few weeks. MRSC • Talk 22:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Why lower case letters?

I just don't understand why small letters should be used for this article. A brand name do not have the authority for changing grammar rules: as long as One is a proper noun it should follow the rules for any other proper noun. --Fertuno 11:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Because 'one' is the name of the company, not One. Because this article is concerned with the company itself, it's name should be used as it uses it. Hammersfan 28/04/07, 14:19 BST

I agree. Every single written instance of 'one' that I have ever seen was entirely lower case. The company name, despite what the standard rules of english say, has no capital letter. J-Deeks 21:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:MOS-TM explicitly states we should not be leaving this all-lowercase. Plus, no company has the faculty to change grammar rules. So the name should be capitalized. --Fertuno 12:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia should not bend to pressure from companies in the rendering of their trademarks. The iPod and eBay are exceptions, not rules. 81.104.175.145 16:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Surely the company has not been attempting to pressure Wikipedia? The rule quoted above by Fertuno on May 17th seems definitive. The question must now surely be "Who is going to effect the changes to the article?" Mark126 17:31, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Companies in general may have spent vast sums of money on branding exercises to ensure that brands are presented consistently. Frequently, these contravene the usual rules of grammar, because including one or ONE or  one  stands out. Each company will have their style guide, which states how the various names and marks should be rendered. They have theirs, we have ours. 81.104.175.145 22:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Severe Delays section

Why? I don't see what it adds. 195.92.101.11 15:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)James I agree. My tidying it up didn't indicate approval. Mark126 16:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Title

As we have now established, 'one' is not an appropriate way to refer to this company, which leaves the problem of what to change it to. One is a redirect to a dab page. The whois info for onerailway.com shows only London Eastern Railway Limited. The <title> of their Web site says One Railway, which seems a sensible enough option. Any other thoughts? 81.104.175.145 15:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion if the article refers to a company, then the article should be titled according to the name of the company, not necessarily the brand the company has created for itself. As a user of Wikipedia (though not an active contributor) I think it is best to ensure titles are short enough to be easily searchable but containing sufficient detail to avoid having to scroll through lists of potential search results. One Railway gets my vote - and the company's choice of spelling is irrelevant - Coca Cola would taste the same whether it was capitalised or not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.92.101.11 (talk • contribs).

The name of the company is London Eastern Railway Ltd., which doesn't really help us here. 81.104.175.145 13:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Pending no objections, suggesting One Railway as the new title. 81.104.175.145 01:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the page, per the request at WP:RM. Cheers. -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:29, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

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Oyster

Of its nature, Oyster isn't pay-as-you-go. You pay before you use the card. Only if Oyster were legal tender would it amount to payment.

Isn't that what "pay as you go" means in everyday usage? A pay as you go phone is one where you put money onto the phone (by various methods) before you spend it, in the same way as an oyster card. It may not be a sensible name for it, but that's what it usually means. J-Deeks 22:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

"Pay As You Go" is the official name for that type of Oyster so that is what we have to call it, even if we disagree. It used to be called "Pre Pay", which might be more accurate. There is an automatic top-up option which effectively does make it a pay as you go system.--DanielRigal 15:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

One Metro/Shenfield Metro

I notice that the Shenfield Metro doesn't have its own article. Shoudl it have? --DanielRigal 15:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Naming

I've reverted changes to this for the following reasons:

1. now branded simply 'One' - is in error, it is branded with both the inverted commas and lower case.
2. The initial use disagrees with the citation.
3. It follows the same approach used by c2c.

As there is less than a month left of this name (!) perhaps this can stay static until then. MRSC • Talk 18:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

National Express East Anglia and the West Anglia Franchise

it just occured to me that when the name is changed the west anglia franchise will be lost even tho im not sure if its just known as the anglia franchise but on the same topic the great eastern name will be lost personaly i think they should keep the franchise names and just rename the franchise National express Anglia keepin the great eastern and west anglias franchises known for the future generations and naming the trains national express west anglia and national express great eastern and it doesnt split liverpool street between different tocs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 19andy91 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe your right........ but that is nothing to do with the article. Wiki is not a forum. Please also sign your messages after using 4x "~" Thanks, Btline (talk) 17:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

'one'

even tho 'one' one railway has been rebranded i'd like to point the following out, one the trains the company was branded as `one` not 'one therefore you were all branding it wrong but the company has been renamed so therefore its not really important.--123andy321 (talk) 13:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)