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The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 15:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Patrick Hessian

... ~~that Patrick J. Hessian (pictured) was one of four alumni of Saint Paul Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota to become the Chief of Chaplains of the United States Army?~~

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20150912110512/http://www.stthomas.edu/media/spssod/pdfs/oracle/2015WinterOracle.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_Chaplains_of_the_United_States_Army

ALT1: ... that Patrick J. Hessian (pictured), along with Patrick J. Ryan, Francis L. Sampson, and Donald W. Shea, was one four alumni of Saint Paul Seminary to become the Chief of Chaplains of the United States Army? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20150912110512/http://www.stthomas.edu/media/spssod/pdfs/oracle/2015WinterOracle.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_Chaplains_of_the_United_States_Army
ALT2: ... that Patrick J. Hessian, the 16th Chief of Chaplains of the United States Army, earned the Soldier's Medal for disarming a suicidal soldier who was holding a live grenade with the pin pulled? Source: Coleman, Nick (Sep 14, 2007). "Monsignor was the face of God in war's inferno". Star Tribune. Retrieved 28 July 2024.
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Comment: Can individually source each of the chaplain's alumnus status if need be

5x expanded by Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 04:07, 28 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing... Flibirigit (talk) 01:00, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General eligibility:

New enough:
Long enough: - ?

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - ?
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The article was expanded from 310 to more than 5,000 characters from July 27 to August 1, and nominated on July 28. Length of the main prose is adequate, but the introduction is rather short and makes no mention of the major awards he received. I question whether listing the names of other chaplains is necessary in the introduction. Sourcing is adequate in the prose, but the section "Awards and decorations" is unsourced. The article is neutral in tone, and no plagiarism was detected. I have struck both ALT0 and ALT1 since both laud the merits of the school and not the subject of the biography. Readers would be more likely to read about the school than Hessian. The remaining hook ALT2 is interesting, mentioned and cited in the article, and verified by the source. The image of Hessian is in the public domain, used in the article, clear at a low resolution and enhances the hook. QPQ is not required. Overall, the article is in better shape than before expanded, and a welcome contribution to Wikipedia. Flibirigit (talk) 01:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Darth Stabro: Please address the above.--Laun chba ller 11:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: @Flibirigit: sourced many of the awards (much of the remaining ones are logically deducible from his deployments/service) and rewrote the introduction. Let me know if anything else should be done! ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 15:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT2. I'm satisfied with the changes to the introduction, and sourcing for the awards. I will assume good faith that the remainder of the military awards are self-referencing due to his service. The article adheres to all other DYK criteria as per my review above. Flibirigit (talk) 18:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a brief quote from the cited news article for editors without access: "...the Soldier's Medal, was given when he disarmed a suicidal young soldier. Hessian got him to hand over a live grenade - leaving it to Hessian to gingerly replace the pin". Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 15:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]