Talk:Pencil skirt

Reliability of sources

This article, linked from the main page of the encyclopaedia, uses very dubious sources. The Sydney Morning Herald article is fine, but none of the other sources would seem to meet the reliability guidelines.

Self-published sources of dubious reliability

• http://cheapjap.com/2008/11/03/mailbag-shorty-in-a-pencil-skirt/
• http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-pencil-skirt.htm
• http://www.kohlscorporation.com/ecom/valueadded/glossary.htm#P

Personal blogs

• http://www.tantrumzz.com/2008/09/woes-of-bicycle-rider.html
• http://tinycatpants.wordpress.com/2006/09/08/the-pencil-skirt/
• http://breakingeven.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/10/female-wardrobe-staples-the-pencil-skirt.html
• http://www.stilettojungleblog.com/2007/01/basics-sleek-black-pencil-skirt.html

This is very concerning.  Skomorokh  17:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that some of the references could be better. However could I say that a lot of the stuff in the article is subjective by nature, though still very relevant, and it's not as if a scholarly proof is needed. An example: "entering and leaving a car gracefully takes practice". I doubt if any mention of this can be found in any academic journal, and it's a bit infra-dig for professional fashion reviewers, but surely if (1) it's fairly self-evident, and (2) bloggers are talking about it, then is it not worth taking on board? Anyway, I will try to find some better sources. Carissa.cool (talk) 19:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I've added a few reliable sources, replaced the more risible blog sources, and updated all of the reference formatting to the modern templates. - Dravecky (talk) 15:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

"Subjective" is not ok unless it is the cited subjective opinion of an expert. Skomorokh and Dravecky seem to have identified the issues and Dravecky fixed them. I removed an unreferenced comment about what has "remained a popular mainstream fashion choice", because "mainstream" doesn't seem particularly encyclopedic. (E.g., how far down in sales does a fashion need to fall before it is no longer mainstream.) Finally the reason I came to the article to remove WiseGeek reference. Every WiseGeek article I've looked at has no references, and is written by someone (often one of a few people) who do not give their credentials. 98.210.208.107 (talk) 00:41, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Images

May I suggest one of the following images as a more appropriate lead image?

• 1954 German suit with pencil skirt - this clearly shows the skirt silhouette and the overall effect.
• 1954 German suit with black pencil skirt - the wearer has pulled the jacket back to show off the shape of the skirt more clearly. This is nice because you can see the skirt as separate from the coat/blouse, so it is defined.

There are a number of possible images from 1950s on Wikimedia Commons showing the pencil skirt in its purest, original style. I think the image currently in the article is a bit problematic, particularly as the placement of the plaid implies that it is closer to being an A-line skirt rather than a true straight-cut pencil skirt. Certainly, we should use one of the above as an example of an original pencil skirt. Mabalu (talk) 03:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

History is not correct.

Christian Dior may have featured the pencil skirt in 1954, but the image used in the wiki page for 1945–1960 in Western fashion in the womenswear section clearly features a photo from 1951 with a woman wearing a pencil skirt. There is a significant gap in the history between 1914 and 1954.

picture mentioned: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lisa_Fonssagrives_at_Paddington_Station,_London,_1951.jpg#mw-jump-to-license 2600:8801:B800:829:1C84:AED4:CEEC:4348 (talk) 18:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)