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Sources[edit]

Since the article currently has no sources, I've started adding some basic references for material already present in the article. Geologyguy kindly pointed out the inadequacy of my original additions, so I've just replaced them with more appropriate ones. I'm sure there must be newspaper coverage of the park and the area, but a quick Google search didn't return anything. Forestgarden (talk) 00:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment[edit]

Good job with the cleanup, Finetooth. What class should this be assessed? serioushat 04:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I don't know much about the assessments between start and GA. My goal is to get this up to FA, if possible. I have ideas for the Activities section, a couple of additional or better images, some filling in of the gap in the History section about research since the 1940s, something about petroglyphs, and maybe something about a couple of the park structures not already covered. Beyond that, I intend to create a map of the park showing where the main features are in relation to one another. When that's all done, I'll run the article through peer review at WP:PR, make changes based on recommendations there, and then nominate the article either at GAN or FAC depending on its condition. Meanwhile, I'd appreciate any suggestions for improvement (or direct help), and I have questions in my head that I have no answer for yet. For example, is the Western rattlesnake found in this park likely to be Crotalus viridis, which is what I've linked to, or should the link actually go to Crotalus oreganus? Finetooth (talk) 14:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what the guidelines say about the sources section(s). Should the "Works cited" section be renamed to "Bibliography" or "References", and should the current "References" section be renamed to "Footnotes"? You can use {{cite book}} so you don't have to format the works cited by hand. serioushat 01:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. What I've done is fine, though not the only way. I've already done FAs using "Works cited" below the "Reference" section. See for example Rogue River (Oregon). Or see one that is not mine, Mozart in Italy, that uses something similar. Splitting the long works out to a "Sources" or "Works cited" section lends itself to using short refs in the "Reference" section. The Manual of Style allows quite a bit of latitude in choosing reference methods, styles, and section names. The main requirement is that the system be logical and consistent. Finetooth (talk) 02:17, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

shutterfly?[edit]

Why am I being redirected to fluttershy.us when I try to click anywhere within the article? Is this some kind of joke? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.197.52 (talk) 15:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Attack on a page[edit]

This page is damaged by someone. There is a div element with 9000x9000 pixel size added to this page that link to some "fluttershy" site. It seems that due to this div block, all links on this page refer to this site and unusable.

195.208.49.60 (talk) 15:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see no such problem... Little Mountain 5 17:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Are you sure you were reading the actual Wikipedia article and not on another site? Little Mountain 5 17:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)~~[reply]

Never mind. The Arizona Parks template was vandalized and has since been fixed. Thanks, Little Mountain 5 17:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Linus Torvalds[edit]

Why is Linus Torvalds in this article? 190.51.186.7 (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article was vandalized. It has been restored now. Little Mountain 5 17:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:The PEFO Tepees.jpg to appear as POTD soon[edit]

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Picture of the day

The Tepees, a rock formation in Petrified Forest National Park in the U.S. state of Arizona. Named for its large deposits of petrified wood, the park covers about 146 sq mi (380 km²), encompassing semi-desert shrub steppe as well as highly eroded and colorful badlands. The petrified trees that give the park its name date to the Late Triassic, about 225 million years ago.Photo: Finetooth

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conflicting size indications[edit]

The article gives wildly differing sizes ranging from 380 km2 to almost 900 km2! --Espoo (talk) 11:51, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing this out. At some point someone updated the original listed size, which had grown somewhat bigger over the intervening years because of acquisitions. However, the editor making the change substituted for fee-area size what the NPS refers to as "gross size", which includes private lands and other non-park public lands. I've changed the numbers again, making them refer consistently to the fee area of the park, which, according to the NPS stats document cited, was about 170 square miles (440 km²) in 2011. I also added a label to the geobox identifying the size quantity as "NPS fee area". I have not yet found a more recent update, but I think the numbers are now at least internally consistent. Finetooth (talk) 19:40, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Problem with convert function Comment[edit]

In the statement "low of 5,340 feet (1,630 m) along the Puerco River to a high of 6,230 feet (1,900 m) at Pilot Rock; the average elevation is about 5,400 feet (1,600 m)" it seems that in meters 5,340 feet (1,630 m) is higher than 5,400 feet (1,600 m). In realty 5,340 feet is equal to 1,627 m and 5,400 feet is equal to 1,645 m. אביהו (talk) 05:21, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting catch. The problem arises from auto-rounding in the template. Adding the "sigfig=4" parameter to the three instances of the template yields this: "The park’s elevation above sea level varies from a low of 5,340 feet (1,628 m) along the Puerco River to a high of 6,230 feet (1,899 m) at Pilot Rock; the average elevation is about 5,400 feet (1,646 m)." That is more precise but harder to read. To retain the ease of reading and to eliminate the apparent contradiction you noted, I deleted the third instance of the template. The average elevation can be inferred more-or-less from the first two elevation numbers. Does that seem like a reasonable solution? Finetooth (talk) 17:19, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A better solution in my mind is to skip using the function and use hard coded numbers. אביהו (talk) 05:30, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have now used sigfig=3 in the third instance of the template to achieve the same end. Thanks for pointing out the original logical discrepancy. Finetooth (talk) 19:32, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with dates[edit]

The period specified in the statement "Between 6000 BCE and 1 CE, the Archaic–Early Basketmaker Era" do not overlap the period in the article about the Archaic–Early Basketmaker Era (7000 - 1500 BCE). A bigger problem happen with the statement "The early farmers from the Early Basketmaker II Era, lived in the Petrified Forest from about 1 CE to about 800 CE" (1500 BC – AD 50 in the article on Early Basketmaker II E. אביהו (talk) 05:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@CaroleHenson:, who added the info and sources in question, might be able to answer these questions. They lie outside my areas of modest expertise. Finetooth (talk) 19:52, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]