Talk:Poro (opera)
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Pakistan?94.193.114.137 (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, it is set in the part of the Indian subcontinent which is now Pakistan.Smeat75 (talk) 02:15, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Scene[edit]
User:Gotitbro has twice changed the Scene which said "(presently) Pakistan" and the first sentence of the synopsis which said "the Indus Valley" to "India" in both places but this is incorrect. He left edit synopses "rvt POV edits by IP" and " this was vandalized by an IP a while back", no it wasn't, it was me some years ago, look at the page statistics, I wrote more than 70% of this article. The source for the synopsis is the Handel House Museum [1] and it says "By the river Hydaspes, a tributary of the Indus". Hydaspes redirects to Jhelum River "a river in northern India and eastern Pakistan". Please let us not quarrel about whether this fanciful opera is set in Pakistan or India, modern states which did not exist at the time it is set. I have changed the scene to "By the Hydapses River" and the first sentence of the synopsis to "Alessandro has conquered the Indus valley".Smeat75 (talk) 12:19, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Smeat75: I clearly linked the vandalizing IPs edits in my edit summaries. Here is the instance where the IP vandalized the article, then again. Ironically enough you are probably the one who added India to the scene descriptor. I am not here to engage in a dispute but that IP was clearly disruptive; and I only came across this while going through other disruptive edits. Gotitbro (talk) 12:29, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Indus valley is highly incorrect as well as neither are Alexander's historical conquests are described as such, not to mention this was added by the vandal IP and the term is frequently used by nationalists, nor does the play mention the term. The Handel link above clearly mentions the conquest in the region India as the plot, this clearly does not mean modern day nation but its historical application. This article is supposed to list the synopsis not the historicity of it. I'll be reverting the synopsis if you do not have any objections. Gotitbro (talk) 12:41, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Johnbod: Sorry, failed enter the edit summary. Anyways there was already a discussion here. Gotitbro (talk)
- Battle of the Hydaspes is rightly entirely clear that the action took place in modern Pakistan. Unfortunately some editors do not like to see the usual way we treat locations applied to Pakistan. In a gross breach of procedure, User:Gotitbro first emptied Category:Operas set in Pakistan (then with 4 members I think) & then nominated it for speedy deletion as empty! Johnbod (talk) 05:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Johnbod: That is not how cats are addressed at all from what I've seen its both anachronistic and retrospective, I was only reverting a disruptive IP whose edits noticed I noticed. I realize my mistake for the CSD which I wasn't familiar with (addressed on your Talk page). The cat is definitely not apt here, we are not going add modern day nation-states to historically set operas are we. Gotitbro (talk) 05:24, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that a Category:Operas set in Pakistan for this and similar work is anachronistic and inappropriate. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:25, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Take it to cfd then, preferably when you have an explanation as to why Pakistan should be treated differently from every other country in the world (something that comes very easily to many Asian editors, but not I think you). Johnbod (talk) 15:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- I am sorry to see editors squabbling about whether this opera and Alessandro (opera) are set in Pakistan or not. Like a lot of opera seria, both of these operas take an event from ancient history and use it as a mere background for an entirely fictitious love tangle. They have practically no contact with actual history. I am the major contributor to both of these articles and this dispute seems silly to me. I am not going to be involved it it, I really don't care whether it says setting in Pakistan or India.Smeat75 (talk) 17:22, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Take it to cfd then, preferably when you have an explanation as to why Pakistan should be treated differently from every other country in the world (something that comes very easily to many Asian editors, but not I think you). Johnbod (talk) 15:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that a Category:Operas set in Pakistan for this and similar work is anachronistic and inappropriate. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:25, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Johnbod: That is not how cats are addressed at all from what I've seen its both anachronistic and retrospective, I was only reverting a disruptive IP whose edits noticed I noticed. I realize my mistake for the CSD which I wasn't familiar with (addressed on your Talk page). The cat is definitely not apt here, we are not going add modern day nation-states to historically set operas are we. Gotitbro (talk) 05:24, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Emphasis shifted from Metastasio's libretto or not[edit]
Despite the comment here that Handel's opera shifts the emphasis from Alessandro to Poro and Cleofide the fact is that in the original libretto by Metastasio and set by Vinci Alessandro is already a subsidiary character and the main emphasis is on Poro and Clepfide just as it is in Handel's version. Aldiboront (talk) 22:56, 9 February 2023 (UTC)