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History[edit]

I'm trying to edit the history section using information from Chinese websites and books. Please write down any suggestions. Sinolonghai 18:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I merged the "current" section and "data" section.Sinolonghai 17:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cut-and-paste move[edit]

I'm afraid there was a cut-and-paste move ([1] [2]). — Insta ntnood 17:16, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Fixed. Noel (talk) 20:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. — Insta ntnood 20:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please update[edit]

A railway link to Tibet was recently completed. Please add an updated map plus relevant info. --24.255.155.100 23:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-ww2 history[edit]

The bit about the first trains and being built quasi-legally by Jardine needs sourced statements, please. SchmuckyTheCat 23:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[3] - You were told that they were translated. It's better to put on the ^{[citation needed]} tag than removing the materials (tho it happened at the beginning you were simply reverting for the sake of warring, without noticing them). — Insta ntnood 13:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced material can be removed by anyone at anytime. Being "a translation" doesn't change that. SchmuckyTheCat 20:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the materials on Wikipedia aren't sourced, yet they can be easily verified, as in the case of what you've removed. Such removings are more like vandalism than anything. The key issue, however, is not with unsourced material, but with your revert warring without paying attention to what other people's edits are about. — Insta ntnood 20:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Liar. Show us where in Wikipedia:Vandalism does it mention the removal of unsourced materials constitutes vandalism.--Huaiwei 21:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[4] Was user:SchmuckyTheCat actually intending to remove unsourced materials? — Insta ntnood 21:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please read wp:v again. If you start sourcing edits you won't have much trouble. SchmuckyTheCat 22:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge?[edit]

Is there a good reason History of rail transport in China should have a distinct page from this one? Cmprince 17:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. The People's Republic of China and the Republic of China, Taiwan, both claim to be the legitimate China. Until this is resolved, better to keep all three distinct.Qhist 18:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't read the full title. Makes more sense now, but I'd just point out that much of the content is similar between the two articles, so beware of letting one becoming a fork of the other. Cmprince 19:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep them separate; a majority of this article deals with rail transport before the 1940s. MisfitToys 18:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. JPG-GR (talk) 16:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rail transport in the People's Republic of China → Rail transport in mainland China

Hi! I think it is about time this articled is renamed/moved to Rail transport in mainland China or the history of pre PRC should be removed. Poeloq (talk) 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

Support — I agree with you. Python eggs (talk) 06:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as per nom. – Axman (☏) 17:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - this makes sense, as the article covers pre-1949 China as well. Biruitorul ^Talk 20:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Covering pre-PRC history is not a big deal. It's the current state. Calling it "mainland China" is a huge POV problem that has been warred over for years. There shouldn't be many (if any at all) articles titled "in/of mainland China" SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:

It could just be ingnorance on my part, but could we simply move it to "Rail transport in China"? DigitalC (talk) 05:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe there have previously (many moons ago) been no end of edit wars over naming, etc. for articles relating to China, and the current distinction of Mainland/PRC/RoC/China seems to please all concerned. This article is about "the PRC excepting Hong Kong and Macau", hence "Mainland China". 217.36.107.9 (talk) 09:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Caption[edit]

The caption to the first picture is in Chinese. Can we fix this please? Mazeau (talk) 02:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not Chinese. It's Japanese. The image was copied from Japanese Wikipedia. 60.27.140.118 (talk) 04:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was ~~move~~ no consensus. It appears that the small group of people who have participated in this discussion as well as the previous discussion (as well as the, apparent, next discussion) cannot reach a consensus on any of the choices as yet proposed. Reverting self and re-closing as such. JPG-GR (talk) 01:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rail transport in the People's Republic of China → Rail transport in China — The current page covers history of railroads in China before the formation of PRC. I propose the page be moved to Rail transport in China because 1) it is a shorter name, 2) more consistent with the content, 3) more consistent with related articles (i.e. Rail transport in Taiwan, History of China). — Voidvector (talk) 09:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Oppose. Support move to Rail transport in mainland China instead. Montemonte (talk) 00:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:

Comment The observant editor will note that an identical proposal ended less than a week previous to this "new" proposal. JPG-GR (talk) 07:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Rail transport in mainland China and Rail transport in China are not identical. --Voidvector (talk) 07:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Whoops - my apologies. If I needed another reason to go to bed (and I didn't), there it is. Good night. JPG-GR (talk) 07:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus as shown by previous two discussions and page has been reverted to previous location (Rail transport in the People's Republic of China). JPG-GR (talk) 01:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rail transport in China → Rail transport in mainland China — Rail transport has been developed separately in mainland China, Taiwan and Hong Kong. Should be moved per discussion above. Montemonte (talk) 23:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Link problem[edit]

Under "conventional railways":

Rolling stocks
China Railway High-speed (CRH): CRH1, CRH2, CRH3, CRH5

X 2000

Blue Arrow

China Star

X 2000 links to the Swedish X2000 trains, but I assume that this is a different train service. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefan2 (talk • contribs) 13:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rail network size[edit]

The article says it's second after USA. However the wiki article 'List of countries by rail transport network size' puts also Russia ahead of China. Couldn't read the chinese characters of the citations link, so don't know about its accuracy. 85.217.45.181 (talk) 05:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've found that The World Bank also puts Russia ahead and gives China only 67092 km for 2016 against 124000 km:World Bank's "Rail lines (total route-km)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Efojs (talk • contribs) 17:33, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2017 restructuring[edit]

In November 2017 the railway bureaus were renamed and restructured, the article should reflect these changes.

http://news.sina.com.cn/c/nd/2017-11-20/doc-ifynwxum6319234.shtml

Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 09:40, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Low Quality Map[edit]

For some reason the map of the rail network is only avalible in the low res format when before it was high res, i think the high res should be made avalible because i can barely read the city names/zoom in 184.185.222.8 (talk) 16:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

my bad im tripping i found it 184.185.222.8 (talk) 16:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add photomontage of Chinese rail transport?[edit]

Can please making of Photomontage of China rail transport? 37.109.162.56 (talk) 17:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]