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Unresolved
 – Article still needs to be updated to include 68 mm as present-day standard, 60.3 as a common size for smaller home tables, and 71 as a former standard.

"They are larger and heavier than Western billiard balls, and there are two regulation sizes, 68 mm and 71 mm" – this is wrong because the largest ball size is 68mm, while the smaller size is 60,3mm —The preceding unsigned comment was added, to the article itself, by 195.222.78.93 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 31 July 2007.

Do you have a source for that? Not that the original statement has one either. Needs research. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 18:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The one I measured with calipers was 68mm (i.e., it's not conclusive data, since it's at "my" low end, and your high end). However, I've found a source for 71mm. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 04:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can give you a lot of russian language sources that state that 68mm balls on 12-ft tables are the standard. Anything less is acceptable for home use and larger balls could have been used a few decades ago but that's a thing of the the past. The english language sources are a problem, however.
Some Russian ones would be fine. Even those who can't read Russian can still see "68" in them. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, here we go: http://www.billiard-online.com/ecpsport/tech.html#1.1 - These are the official technical specifications for tournament play developed by the European Committee of Pyramid. It's stated on the page that the balls must be 68-68.5 mm in diameter. Notice that the center pocket is 82-83 mm wide which is 14-15 mm wider than the balls diameter not 14-18 as stated in the article. The other links refer to it as the official source. The other links are:http://www.propool.ru/_gms/pyramid/equip.htm - this one is from the site mostly concentrated on pool rather than pyramid. And, finally, http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%8F%D1%80%D0%B4 - the Russian wikipedia article on pyramid. Also, since citation is needed on the availability of 60mm balls - here it is:http://www.worldwidebilliardsupplies.com/russianpyramid.shtml (and this one is in English). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.114.237.169 (talk) 10:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'm not sure how reliable any of those are, other than the European Committee of Pyramid (but its not their site you've linked to). I guess something is better than nothing, though the ru.wikipedia one can't be used. Per WP:V, Wikipedia can't be used to source itself. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 02:16, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pyramid and snooker[edit]

"This makes the game's mechanics like an oversized version of snooker" This statement is inaccurate because the style of play of snooker is significantly different than pyramid. Impossible to compare snooker to russian pyramid. Also the " requiring greater precision to pocket a ball than in pool" is a true statement but to a non-billiard fan can create confusion and make him think pyramid is harder globally than pocket billiards, which is absolutely false. Is true that in russian pyramid is significantly harder to make a ball but is much easier to play safeties, kicks and strategy of the game is much more simple... --89Slh (talk) 15:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing is "impossible to compare", but I agree that the comparison to snooker isn't apt, and there's no source for it. Feel free to delete it; I doubt anyone will object. Your assertions that the game is overall easier than pool would require a reliable source, and don't make much sense to me. There are many kinds of pool (pocket billiards) some of which also involve safeties, kicks and simple strategies. That is, variants of pool are often very, very different from one another, so no genralization can really be made about them and their comparison to pyramid. Snooker is much easier to compare to pyramid than pocket billiards is generally. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 18:54, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree is not easy to compare pyramid and pool and the "pool is harder than pyramid" is a my opinion ( and also of other players, like for example Evgeny Stalev, a 2 times russian pyramid world champion who says pool is harder) and I didn't have intention to actually write it in the article. Generally pool must be error-free, this means there is a lot of pressure on any shot ( doesn't matter if the game is 9 ball or straight pool or one pocket), instead in russian pyramid you can win even if you made more mistake, because the pockets are so tight that is perfectly normal to miss shots... also because the pockets are very tight this means you can play weaker safeties than in pool. Forget to learn jumpshots, or kick safe. Basically in russian pyramid you must be a great shot maker, but less skill is required in other aspects of the game (not saying safeties are not important in pyramid, simply are less important than in pool) this leads to think pool is harder, or atleast more complex. --89Slh (talk) 21:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Possible original research on popular culture section[edit]

On "In popular culture" section, the statement about most Russian Pyramid games are developed for mobile devices is possibly unsourced but @Oknazevad needlessly removed citation needed tag I placed for this statement. If there's no sources for this statement, it is possibly WP:OR. 36.74.40.72 (talk) 16:43, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It was a poor word choice on my part. The point of what I was trying to say is that games including Russian pyramid are available on mobile platforms. I think the swap to "many" addresses my mistake. oknazevad (talk) 18:42, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Oknazevad Thanks, but there are unsourced anyways, which I think needs either a citation needed tag or to be removed. 36.74.40.72 (talk) 22:09, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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