Talk:Sam Brownback/Archives/2017

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Restoration and modifications of inappropriate edits

@SlackerDelphi: Thank you for self-reverting the inappropriate edit you made on Brownback's plurality win. I have restored the widely held, bipartisan, negative assessment of Sam's tenure that existed in the Atlantic citation you apparently didn't read, and commonly in other RSS, hopefully in such a way you won't feel the need to polish his image once again. There's no point in being so critically caustic with other Wikipedia editors. Please try to work out differences of opinion on the talk pages, rather than autonomously making deletions with sarcastic summaries. Activist (talk) 07:20, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@SlackerDelphi: Please read the Atlantic article as requested. Are you questioning it as a reliable source? Activist (talk) 16:58, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

For 160 years, The Atlantic has been a respected publication with "moderate" views. Activist (talk) 17:02, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I fixed the wording of the paragraph. Atlantic says that he is "one of the most unpopular governors". It does not say that he is the most unpopular. Capitol-Journal makes that claim, but it is not supported by The Atlantic." I removed the information about the Lt. Governor. It should not be in the intro. It can be added to the body of the article, but not the intro.--SlackerDelphi (talk) 12:54, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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Edits of this article by Presidential Management Fellow is WP:COI

@User:Marquardtika While your recent edits of Sam Brownback do not appear to be particularly pernicious, your edits are reasonably subject to dispute over your conspicuous WP:COI conflict-of-interest -- namely that you are (or expect to be shortly) a Presidential Fellow (according to your own User:Marquardtika user page) for the administration of President Donald Trump -- who has just nominated -- and is currently promoting, pending Senate confirmation -- Sam Brownback as his nominee for U.S. Ambassador for Religious Freedom.

Presidential Fellows are high-ranking federal government employees, and as such, quite clearly subject of WP:COI concerns).

To put it mildly, your edits are a clear violation of

WP:COI guidance ("COI editors are generally advised not to edit affected articles directly, and to propose changes on talk pages instead.")

-- and particularly

WP:COIPOLITICAL ("Government employees should not edit articles about their agencies, government, political party, political opponents, or controversial political topics.")

Per WP:COI, Please refrain from further article edits -- and, instead, suggest them on the Talk page -- on this and other articles about federal government issues, and related people, until such time as you are no longer a Presidential Management Fellow, nor a federal employee.

Respectfully, ~ Penlite (talk) 19:58, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

@User:Marquardtika, @User:Corkythehornetfan In consideration of your edits, I'll respectfully review them as soon as my workload permits, and will restore any that seem to be consistent with WP:NPOV and my own (imperfect) judgement. I encourage other editors, adhering to WP:NPOV and WP:COI guidelines, to do the same. I'm sure there is some merit in some of the edits -- but had to pull them all to get to the ones most conspicuously in violation of WP:COI.

@User:Corkythehornetfan The minor edit of the comma (your description) was deleted not out of petty intent, but simply because it created an "intermediate edit" that interfered with undoing the many WP:COI edits by User:Marquardtika that I was in the process of removing (very slowly, owing to system delays beyond my control). It was my intent to restore your edit, but looks like you beat me to it. More patience with me, next time, should be rewarding. Please understand that I did not enjoy today's undo's on this page -- but its editorial organization was drifting into WP:COIPOLITICAL / WP:ADVOCACY, under a WP:COI editor.

Respectfully, ~ Penlite (talk) 21:13, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

@User:Marquardtika, will correct the sequence of punctuation on "Kansas Experiment." The first quote mark belongs between the words Kansas and Experiment (his language), though it is almost universally referred to throughout major media, left and right, as the "Kansas Experiment." (Google the phrase, and you'll see what I mean).

Respectfully, ~ Penlite (talk) 21:13, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm not, in fact, a Presidential Management Fellow. I was accepted into the program in 2016--while Barack Obama was President, FWIW--but I was never placed at a position due to funding disputes. I didn't remember that I'd put that on my user page, but I will change it now to avoid confusion in the future. In the meantime, perhaps you can address the substance of my edits. Marquardtika (talk) 21:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up. Will address the substance of your edits (have already restored a couple), and will finish restoring as I can - workload permitting. If you are certain that you do not have a WP:COI, please consider restoring them yourself. Other editors are encouraged to make the appropriate fixes as well.

Respectfully ~ Penlite (talk) 22:05, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I did what I could to restore the edits, but there had been a lot of intervening edits so it was a bit difficult to navigate. My main concern was the WP:LEAD becoming too long. It's generally best to build out the body of the article, then make sure that the lead accurately and proportionately reflects the body's content--not to put things in the lede that aren't already better fleshed out in the body. Marquardtika (talk) 19:42, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

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