Talk:Saw E Binnya

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Did you know... that the Battle of Daybathwe ended shortly after the Myaungmya commander Saw E Binnya was assassinated by the Hanthawaddy commander Dein Mani-Yut, whom he thought was defecting to his side?

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 02:15, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the battle of Daybathwe ended shortly after the Myaungmya commander Saw E Binnya was assassinated by the Hanthawaddy commander Dein Mani-Yut, whom he thought was defecting to his side? Source: (Pan Hla 2005: 186)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Montgomery Brawl

Created by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 23:26, 26 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Saw E Binnya; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

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Adequate sourcing:
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Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: An inline citation is needed at the end of the first paragraph in the Career section. On the fence about whether "In a fateful decision" is encyclopedic language. I don't see in the article where it supports "shortly". Ergo Sum 21:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ergo Sum, thanks for the review. (1) Re: the first paragraph in the career section, the paragraph is meant to be a mini-lede/summary of what to come. Anyway, I've added a couple of citations as asked. (2) Removed "In a fateful decision" with "At any rate". (3) Re: "shortly", I've rewritten the sentence. According to the chronicle, Hanthawaddy troops charged forward, blocked the gate doors from closing, and captured the fort. No additional fighting was reported. Please review again. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ergo Sum, reminder: please review again. It's been over 3 weeks. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 00:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The end of the first paragraph still needs an inline citation. You can take the citation inside the explanatory footnote and reproduce it at the end of the sentence, then also use it as an inline citation at the end of the sentence inside the footnote. Indeed, all four of the explanatory footnotes lack inline citations at the ends of them. Also, the article does not clearly state that the battle came to an end with the subject's death. Ergo Sum 03:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ergo Sum, I've added two additional separate inline citations in the paragraph. The additional citations are those already mentioned in the associated note. As for the citations in the notes, those already have citations. Yo seem to be looking for superscripted citations in the notes themselves. For some reason, I can't nest citations within the notes. Anyway, I'm not sure why we need nested citations. I've used this format in successful GA norms as well as dozens of DYKs. No one has ever raised the issue.

As for the battle ending after his death, I've provided the citation that says Hanthawaddy troops got inside the fort after his death, and captured the fort. What I'm missing? Hybernator (talk) 23:15, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Parenthetical referencing has been deprecated since 2020. Thus, the citation format used in the article would not pass GA muster, and certainly not FA. However, because DYK requires only basic compliance with WP's core rules and parenthetical referencing is deprecated but not banned, I think it suffices for DYK purposes. For future reference, you can use the Source Editor to insert a superscripted inline citation within an explanatory footnote.

One problem remains. There is still no inline citation at the end of the first paragraph in the "Early life" section. The explanatory footnote on its own is not adequate. The Efn begins with a parenthetical reference, but the way it is worded, it appears to support only the footnote itself. You must insert a duplicate citation at the end of the sentence to clearly support the half sibling statement, besides putting it in the footnote. That is part of WP's core citation policy. Once that is done, this hook can pass. Ergo Sum 15:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

* Ergo Sum, thanks for letting me know about the "Efn". I've rewritten the notes using Efn. Hopefully, it passes muster this time. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 23:11, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ergo Sum: Any other concerns? Z1720 (talk) 19:01, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For DYK purposes, it is ok to go now. Ergo Sum 19:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]